porkchop got questions!

[*Paul*]

Porkchop:
You know, I'm not a Mormon and don't play one on teevee, but I find it really disingenuous of you to say you didn't realize this was an "anti" book. Or maybe you don't bother to read the back covers of books you read before you read the text inside?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0802456332/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-0288949-2408618#reader-link
The book is categorised as "cults and occult"

Porkchop was not being disingenuous, I have had that book on my shelf for years and she has never read it (until now). It is the testimony a a woman with historic links to the beginning of the mormon church, she presents the book not as "this is what mormons believe and this is what the bible says" but this is what the early mormon church was built upon and this is what went on. and not only that she provides documentation to substantiate most of her claims. It is the story of her heart wrenching decision to leave the mormon church for evangelical christianity and her love and concern for her mother who was so zealously and devoutly mormon. She actually says in the book that most mormons are unaware of a lot of the things the early mormon church taught not that they believe them now. She gives much historical fact and if history is anti - mormon then so be it.
Porkchop was doing the right thing in asking a mormon if that particular teaching of Orson Pratts was a church doctrine, after all he is called a seer. At least she didn't read it and decide that this is what mormons believe.

Hm, let's see, the author has appeared in such films as "The Cult Explosion." Yes...perhaps that was a film about pyrotechnics in international terrorism.

This proves what? This proves that because her upbringing she is valued for her insights into LDS history. Like it or not the LDS church has always been viewed as a cult by mainstream Christianity so it is little wonder that she has been asked to speak on the subject. At least they are not asking people who have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[porkchop]

I'm sorry, i didnt realise my posting questions was such a chore for you, comprehend. Why even bother coming on here.
In future, i'll get my answers elsewhere. I won't trouble you or any other mormons again.
Beth.

 

[*Paul*]

You'd like me to start a thread about "How to be disingenuous" ? :areyoucra

How about one on how to see into peoples hearts and judge their motives, you seem a master at that and it would be useful to us all.

 

[*Paul*]

Yeah, Ed Decker... he really has a bee up his bum about LDS and also about masons, doesn't he?

IF you have a problem with the things Ed Decker says he does respond directly to emails, i'm sure he will be more than happy to tell why he teaches what he does.

 

[Comprehend]

I'm sorry, i didnt realise my posting questions was such a chore for you, comprehend. Why even bother coming on here.
In future, i'll get my answers elsewhere. I won't trouble you or any other mormons again.
Beth.

It isn't a chore. I just don't understand all the sillyness involved. After having checked out the book more, I can't imagine how anyone could mistake that book for something other than what it is, an anti-mormon book.

You went about your line of questioning like I would go about perjuring a witness. It was like you set a trap with your question and then attempted to spring it with your quote.

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt even though I knew the original information was obviously wrong and came from a bad source. Why do you think I asked you for the name and publisher of the book?

When I actually found out about the book, I decided there was not much chance of a mistake, then it seemed intentional and I was much less inclined to continue playing along.

 

[FFH]

I'm sorry, i didnt realise my posting questions was such a chore for you, comprehend. Why even bother coming on here.
In future, i'll get my answers elsewhere. I won't trouble you or any other mormons again.
Beth.

Porkchop don't go. I respect and admire Paul and just realized you two must be a couple, from reading his last post. Please stick around okay ???

Sorry you were treated so badly. You were nothing but kind and had no alterer motives. Just asking questions, which I am flattered, as a Mormon, that you would do.

 

[Comprehend]

She actually says in the book that most mormons are unaware of a lot of the things the early mormon church taught not that they believe them now. She gives much historical fact and if history is anti - mormon then so be it.

I would be interested in debating the veracity of these "historical facts" and I imagine a few other LDS would too. feel free to start a thread and list a few "facts"

Like it or not the LDS church has always been viewed as a cult by mainstream Christianity...

like it or not, this says a lot more about MSC than it does about us. I would be interested in hearing MSC's criteria for a cult and debating that as well.

 

[FFH]

How about one on how to see into peoples hearts and judge their motives, you seem a master at that and it would be useful to us all.

You are so right, I was thinking the same thing.

Kindness went out the window in this thread.

 

[porkchop]

Porkchop don't go. I respect and admire Paul and just realized you two must be a couple, from reading his last post. Please stick around okay ???

Sorry you were treated so badly. You were nothing but kind and had no alterer motives. Just asking questions, which I am flattered, as a Mormon, that you would do.

Thanks FFH, your church should be happy to have you as a representative.
Yup, me and paul are man & wifey, he's great.
I shall PM you if i have any questions regarding the mormon faith, as i don't want people to become paranoid about trickery and the like.
Thanks again, Bethx

 

[FFH]

like it or not, this says a lot more about MSC than it does about us. I would be interested in hearing MSC's criteria for a cult and debating that as well.

Not really, because of our secret/sacred works in our holy temples, we are seen as a cult I'm afraid. We are just misunderstood and we need to reassure people we are not going to hell like most think.

I had a MSC/nondenominational co-worker tell me straight up I'm going to hell because I'm a Mormon. We are the best of friends at work though and it didn't bother me a bit for some reason. He is a great guy, better than most. He attends this church www.smccutah.com

Edit: Sorry just fixed that link.

 

[Comprehend]

Porkchop don't go. I respect and admire Paul and just realized you two must be a couple, from reading his last post. Please stick around okay ???

Sorry you were treated so badly. You were nothing but kind and had no alterer motives. Just asking questions, which I am flattered, as a Mormon, that you would do.

Do we have a throw-up smilie?

We need one.

 

[Comprehend]

Not really, because of our secret/sacred works in our holy temples we are seen as a cult I'm afraid. We are just misunderstood and we need to reassure people we are not going to hell like most think.

I had a MSC/nondenominational co-worker tell me straight up I'm going to hell because I'm a Mormon. We are the best of friends at work though and it didn't bother me a bit for some reason. He is a great guy, better than most. He attends this church www.smcc/utah.com

yeah, I know that we are seen as a cult. I wasn't saying we weren't seen as one. I said that the fact we ARE seen as a cult says more about MSC than us.

Thanks though for your input...

 

[FFH]

Do we have a throw-up smilie?

We need one.

That one's close enough. I guess I just didn't see what you saw. Although I'm sure that book is pursuasive enough to make us look bad. We just don't need to give reason for people to think we are what they say, which I've been guilty of doing in the past, and have been harsh with many on the forum too, but I just didn't see a need to be, here.

Just an observation..

 

[FFH]

yeah, I know that we are seen as a cult. I wasn't saying we weren't seen as one. I said that the fact we ARE seen as a cult says more about MSC than us.

Thanks though for your input...

Ah, I see, sorry, misunderstood. Yeah, many get caught up in the trap of fighting us rather than embracing the lost truths that Christ taught when he was on earth and later restored through his modern day prophets.