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[Shadow Wolf]

Essentially all I said was 'Keep your sexuality to yourself and your own bedrooms, there's no need for all this public nonsense. Sure, I like BDSM - I don't like it on my local high street.'

And everyone just kind of lost their minds, I guess.

Pretty much. It's nuts.
People need to a take a damn chill pill.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Rival and I have been fairly close friends for a few years, and you can see multiple examples in this thread alone of how much we disagree.

It's more productive to focus on the issues instead of jumping to conclusions about people.

Nah. She's just grooming us to be unsuspecting victims when she captures us so she can make us a Cyberman like she is.
I'm onto you, @Rival! You and your tin can allies who are better at dying!

 

[Kooky]

This is a stupid question though.

Why would anyone hold a worldview whilst at the same time thinking it won't work for others or not wanting to live under it and believe it's the best view?

Because we acknowledge that what works for us may not work for other people in vastly different circumstances, even though based on our personal beliefs we may still hold on to it as the best given our own circumstances and the information available to us?

I didn't think this would be such a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because we acknowledge that what works for us may not work for other people in vastly different circumstances, even though based on our personal beliefs we may still hold on to it as the best given our own circumstances and the information available to us?

I didn't think this would be such a difficult concept to grasp.

I don't see what's so difficult about accepting someone can have their views and not expect others to follow them? I think the world be better off if everyone ditched religion but I'm not expecting or demanding people do that.

 

[Rival]

There are theoretical ideas we all have in our heads about what we would like, and then there's the real world where our ideas are and will stay fantasies. We have to be practical with our worldviews. Whilst SSM goes against my religious beliefs, in practicality, I'm fine with my nation's solution to allow the practice and also allow religious institutions to deny such services. That's the best of both worlds and allows everyone to get on with their lives. In the world we live in, power has been taken away from those of religious persuasion in Europe and it will never be coming back, so we religious folks have had to learn to deal with that. It's not fun and obviously for many not desirable, but it's the world we live in. For us, those social issues are between them and God. Would I like to be able to stop abortion in most cases? Yes, because I 100% believe it's murder and were I in power I would not want to enable what I see as murder. But I'm not, won't ever be, don't want to be, and am fine going about my life knowing that I've never had an abortion and never will.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

This is a stupid question though.

Why would anyone hold a worldview whilst at the same time thinking it won't work for others or not wanting to live under it and believe it's the best view?

No, it is THE question. If you hold a world view that you want other people to adopt, obviously you should be able to explain WHY you think anyone else should adopt it.

If I hold a world view, and I tell you that you should agree with and adopt it, are you going to pay any attention to me if I refuse to explain why, or are you going to ignore me?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Rival and I have been fairly close friends for a few years, and you can see multiple examples in this thread alone of how much we disagree.

It's more productive to focus on the issues instead of jumping to conclusions about people.

What conclusions do you think I'm "jumping to"? I asked a poster about their own, explicit words. Not sure where there's room for misunderstanding in that.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The services at that church look rather boring. And they have a very small congregation, maybe twenty people at the most. No sign of being in the porn industry:

Another example of a tiny fringe outlier being touted as an existential threat by a much larger group, I guess. This is a recurring theme.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

They clearly called themselves "sinners," so it seems to me that they don't believe God approves of what they're doing.

I also don't think anything I've said is a digression or a straw man. What I'm getting at is that religious interpretations widely vary, so trying to make all believers in a given religion fit into a specific box and labeling them "hypocrites," "deceitful," etc., if they don't fit into it is unrealistic and overly exclusionary.

We are all sinners. Remember?

 

[DNB]

Well, Rival is a she, and sometimes we do silly things.

Rival doesn't believe in the devil, nor is she Christian. I don't believe in a literal devil either.
And the Luciferian part didn't come until many years after I left the Church. And I left it because it was an emotional, psychological, and spiritual toxin. It was so bad I used to have nightmares of going to Hell that were so vivid I could feel the emotional anguish of being separated from Jehovah and the flames searing my flesh, and I still remember those nightmares very vividly over 20 years later. It left me with no will to live and praying for death. All the threats of Hellfire, an angry god who thinks we all deserve nothing better by default, having it constantly drilled into my head that I'm a lowly sinner, and then being trans added another layer to those torments and anguishes that few can begin to understand (especially since I'm attracted to men).
So I left, haven't looked back, and things have been consistently improving.

I'm extremely sorry for your anguish and torment that was elicited by incorrect teaching from your Church. But, pledging allegiance to satan and lucifer does not appear to be a resolve to the issue, but rather stepping into the fire from the frying pan.
Yes, often in the process of rejection or retaliation one gravitates to the antithesis of what caused them the pain. SW, is this the most practical and efficacious solution?
I'm glad that you're feeling better, but I am convinced that it's just a placebo. In other words, anything was better than what you were going through in the SBC. Again, satan always gives at first in order top get your guard down and get you hooked, but, without exception, he always takes much more than he gives.
SW, please appreciate my following remark: if you were desiring not to live in your previous convictions, guaranteed you are not going to appreciate that same feeling for eternity, under the auspices of lucifer/satan.

You need to find a better balance to discover the truth - not one extreme to the other.

 

[DNB]

They clearly called themselves "sinners," so it seems to me that they don't believe God approves of what they're doing.

I also don't think anything I've said is a digression or a straw man. What I'm getting at is that religious interpretations widely vary, so trying to make all believers in a given religion fit into a specific box and labeling them "hypocrites," "deceitful," etc., if they don't fit into it is unrealistic and overly exclusionary.

THe appellation 'sinners by sinners' is just a gimmick. Like I said, since they are still actively practicing pornography, we don't see repentance or contrition and thus, one can only conclude that their motto is just a feigned and therefore a ploy in order to appear humble..

You are mitigating too much on their behalf, without appreciating the signs that are telling you that they're not sincere or authentic. This is elementary Christian dogma, sex is a vice and is only lawful between a married couple, and even then, only when it's done derived from love and respect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In other words, anything was better than what you were going through in the SBC.

Well, that part is certainly true and I can't much argue against it.

I'm glad that you're feeling better, but I am convinced that it's just a placebo.

It's been too long for it to be placebo (I left the church just months short of 20 years ago).

You need to find a better balance to discover the truth - not one extreme to the other.

Basically, what I did was go from the extreme zealousy of the SBC and then the extreme I was in after that (which happened while I was a pagan) I hated Christians and everything relating to Christianity and had a very deep mistrust of them. But it was an Episcopalian priest who helped pull me out of that rut.

Again, satan always gives at first in order top get your guard down and get you hooked, but, without exception, he always takes much more than he gives.

Satan doesn't give much. He gives us strength, he shows us a path. But he expects us to achieve our own desires.

SW, please appreciate my following remark: if you were desiring not to live in your previous convictions, guaranteed you are not going to appreciate that same feeling for eternity, under the auspices of lucifer/satan.

I was already living in Hell when I was a Christian. Satan at least accepts me as I am.
I am also in the process of contacting a chapter of the Satanic Temple to become an active member and a Satanist who participates in activities, rituals, and fellowship with like minded Satanists.

 

[Meow Mix]

I'm subjected to people dressing trashy almost daily at work. Women with huge breasts not wearing a bra and wearing skin tight shirts, tight booty shorts, men not wearing underwear and wearing pants so tight, nothing is left to the imagination, people dressing like slutty schoolgirls, men dressing like gender bending fetish freaks, etc. People have no consideration for others. And that's not even talking about w the lazy people wearing their barely there workout clothes.

I’m one of the lazy people wearing workout clothes and often wear no bra or sports bras without lining unless they’re sewn in (seriously why isn’t that more common, I’m not going to dick with the removable ones that come out in the wash, it’s just going to stay out for me). I don’t have the time or the bag space to go from school to the studio if I walk.

They’re still clothes. People have control of where they look: if they don’t want to look then they should not, and also they should grow up, because bodies are just bodies and everybody has one.

 

[DNB]

Because we acknowledge that what works for us may not work for other people in vastly different circumstances, even though based on our personal beliefs we may still hold on to it as the best given our own circumstances and the information available to us?

I didn't think this would be such a difficult concept to grasp.

I wouldn't think that the concept and definition of 'world view' would be difficult to grasp?
It implies an absolute, that's why it's called world, global or universal. Again, I wouldn't think that such an appellation would be hard to comprehend?
@Rival simply said that her convictions were all encompassing, they were not circumstantial or subjective. Whether she is right or wrong (i believe she's correct), she was declaring them as absolutes, and not cultural or to be personally interpreted - what's good for the goose, is also good for the gander.

I agree with her as an universal absolute, wanton sex destroys both one's character and spirit.

 

[DNB]

Well, that part is certainly true and I can't much argue against it.

It's been too long for it to be placebo (I left the church just months short of 20 years ago).

Basically, what I did was go from the extreme zealousy of the SBC and then the extreme I was in after that (which happened while I was a pagan) I hated Christians and everything relating to Christianity and had a very deep mistrust of them. But it was an Episcopalian priest who helped pull me out of that rut.

Satan doesn't give much. He gives us strength, he shows us a path. But he expects us to achieve our own desires.

I was already living in Hell when I was a Christian. Satan at least accepts me as I am.
I am also in the process of contacting a chapter of the Satanic Temple to become an active member and a Satanist who participates in activities, rituals, and fellowship with like minded Satanists.

Thank you very much for your candor, and please forgive me for getting too personal and digressing from the OP. BTW, the mods already warned me about proselytizing to you, just for the record - I have to watch my language.

But, I thought that you said that you don't actually believe in a real satan?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

People have control of where they look: if they don’t want to look then they should not, and also they should grow up, because bodies are just bodies and everybody has one.

It's not the norm to be walking around with your bits showing, so of course it's going to be noticed more than anything, because it's unusual and takes you aback. You don't need to be staring to notice something like that, and I certainly do not stare as it's very rude.

 

[Meow Mix]

It's not the norm to be walking around with your bits showing, so of course it's going to be noticed more than anything, because it's unusual and takes you aback. You don't need to be staring to notice something like that, and I certainly do not stare as it's very rude.

It might depend on location, too. I am in a heavily college-populated area. I’m not the only one in leggings. The bois wear bike shorts these days apparently too. (Also I still can’t get over gen z wearing high waisted jeans now, side note. What are they thinking ^.^)

Staring is indeed rude. I think it’d be weird for people to be mad at people briefly glancing. Seems human and natural, we check people out sometimes. Also as you said in terms of clothes, it’s almost subconscious regardless of clothes, or so it seems to me (e.g. someone with a very attractive face turns the corner, I instinctively look briefly). So I don’t think there’s a problem with quick glances.

But in terms of being upset about it, this I don’t get either. It’s just a body. I don’t care if it’s a body that’s attractive to the looker or not attractive to the looker, it is literally just a body. What’s the problem? People wear bad fashion (clashing colors, maybe eye-rolly stereotypes or slogans, etc.) that would annoy me more than acknowledging they have a body.

I am reminded by people that are so insecure about their pets’ bodies that they buy these weird things that cover their buttholes. Like bro, it’s a cat butthole. Don’t stare at it if you don’t want to see it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But, I thought that you said that you don't actually believe in a real satan?

Nope.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It appears we're 6th now. I apologise for my error in my last post as I meant western Europe (which we did for a long time),

UK has the most teenage births in EU, along with Bulgaria and Romania

That's from 2017 iirc. I'll look up more recent stats when I'm not on my phone in bed.

Nah, no dramas. I had a skim read through the rest of the thread, and I can only imagine you're a little over the discussion. But I was more curious in case I was misreading my sources. I found some for both 2019 and 2021, and the basics are similar to your link. Eastern Europe is generally higher, United Kingdom is around the top of Western Europe.

But whatever the case, our teen girls aren't doing great. This can just be observed by experience. I knew at least 2 teen girls at school whose career goal was prostitution They were 13/14.

I'd have a similar impression here, and in some parts of the country I think it's completely true. But overall, births are happening later in women's life, due to a combination of better sex education and options, and less deliberate teenage births (is my guess). I'm not sure moralty is coming into it too much, to be honest (and to be clear, I'm not counting theoretical fixes like abstinence, since I don't think they're effective at a group level).

Having lived in a very religious (and very poor) country only reinforced my belief that empowering and educating women in all facets of life is actually a more effective means of limiting teenage pregnancy than traditional religious rules are.

Then again, as a proponent of no premarital or at least long-term relationship sex, I'm going to be unhappy with the situation either way lol.

This is obviously just my opinion, but is there any chance you're mixing what you think is morally right with anecdotal impact, and coming up with an answer that confirms your pre-existing bias? That sounds a bit wordy, but I'm not trying to be a smart-butt.

But if I took a country I'm somewhat familiar with (Sweden), there is a teen birthrate of fewer than 7 in 1000.
Switzerland and the Netherlands also have very low teen birth rates.

I don't think any of them would be listed as conservative religious hotbeds of traditionalism. Whilst I now it's changing a little, Swedes have commonly lived together without marriage. Marriage rates are dropping pretty fast in Switzerland (presumably because the cost of feeding more than about 9 people in Switzerland is prohibitive...lol) and the Netherlands has pretty high rates of irreligousness.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I am reminded by people that are so insecure about their pets’ bodies that they buy these weird things that cover their buttholes. Like bro, it’s a cat butthole. Don’t stare at it if you don’t want to see it.

Wow. That's a new one on me.