Pornography Declared "Public Health Crisis"

[Buttercup]

This question is for the women posters on RF. If you had an incredibly nice body and were, therefore, physically suited to be a porn star, would you choose to be one or not? Please explain the reason for your answer.

Not on your life!

The simple reason is because I would DIE if my dad or any member of my family, especially my kids, saw one of my porn films.

I honestly can't think of anything more embarrassing.

 

[Katzpur]

Even when I was Catholic, I haven't agreed with Catholicism's teachings on sexual morality in a long time. They tend to be quite unhealthy and psychologically damaging. I had already dealt with various forms of abuse as a child that led me to hate myself and to feel guilt and shame about myself and my sexuality (merely being sexual, not just orientation) in general. Trying to adhere to the Church's sexual teachings only compounded that, during the time I actually strived to do so. It didn't end well. Catholic theology is very big on guilt in many ways, moreso than most other Christian denominations. There's a reason that "Catholic guilt" is a stereotype of the religion and the butt of jokes. But to those who take it seriously, it's no laughing matter. So I had consciously stopped agreeing with Catholicism's teaching on the subject a long time ago.

I'm truly sorry for your experience with Catholicism, and I realize you are in a far better position to speak on it than I am. (I've got to tell you, though, that "Mormon guilt" can easily give "Catholic guilt" a run for its money.) It kind of sounds like you've been on a pendulum swinging about as far in each direction as is possible. To me, there's a good middle-ground between sexual repression and sexual depravity (which is what I see pornography as being).

I am not a Christian and don't want to be one anymore.

Never say never, Franky. We know you too well.

As for porn, there are issues with it and that merits a thread of its own, and I could expound upon the problems with it. But the issue isn't so much porn itself, but society's relation to sex, gender, race, etc., capitalism and consumerism in general. But sex-positive pornography that embraces queerness, trans people, non-whites, women, etc. has been an healthy influence in my life and has helped and is helping me to accept myself and to heal from past traumas.

I guess I'm just too naive to know what "sex-positive pornography" is.

 

[Katzpur]

Not on your life!

The simple reason is because I would DIE if my dad or any member of my family, especially my kids, saw one of my porn films.

I honestly can't think of anything more embarrassing.

Embarrassing? Why? What's to be embarrassed about? You'd just be meeting a societal need. Doing your fair share, you know.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

So, I don't get it. People on here actually want pornography? Someone posted acting like it carried no negative effects what so ever. Come on now folks.

What do you see as some of the negative side-effects of pornography?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm truly sorry for your experience with Catholicism, and I realize you are in a far better position to speak on it than I am. (I've got to tell you, though, that "Mormon guilt" can easily give "Catholic guilt" a run for its money.) It kind of sounds like you've been on a pendulum swinging about as far in each direction as is possible. To me, there's a good middle-ground between sexual repression and sexual depravity (which is what I see pornography as being).

Pornography is just sexualized images of people or videos of people engaged in sexual acts. How does sex automatically become "depraved" when a camera is introduced into it?

Never say never, Franky. We know you too well.

But I know myself better.

I guess I'm just too naive to know what "sex-positive pornography" is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_pornography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_pornography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_porn

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This question is for the women posters on RF. If you had an incredibly nice body and were, therefore, physically suited to be a porn star, would you choose to be one or not? Please explain the reason for your answer.

I've already created pictures and videos of myself and posted some of it online. I wouldn't mind posting videos and pictures of myself with another person, either (I think some of that already made its way to certain forums but it was a while ago and I can't really remember, lol). I enjoy it.

I do not have an "incredibly nice body" by typical social standards and am not physically suited to be a mainstream porn star. But mainstream porn sucks, anyway.

Edit: Didn't see that this was a question for women only.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not on your life!

The simple reason is because I would DIE if my dad or any member of my family, especially my kids, saw one of my porn films.

I honestly can't think of anything more embarrassing.

Why would it be embarrassing? If I found out that my mom was in a porn flick, I'd be like "go, mom!". Lol. I would just hope she had fun.

 

[Buttercup]

Why would it be embarrassing? If I found out that my mom was in a porn flick, I'd be like "go, mom!". Lol. I would just hope she had fun.

My entire family, including my parents and children, are very liberal. However, I'm pretty sure I'd be disowned if any one of them found out I was a porn star. Although, my daughter might ever so secretly say "you go, mom!".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My entire family, including my parents and children, are very liberal. However, I'm pretty sure I'd be disowned if any one of them found out I was a porn star. Although, my daughter might ever so secretly say "you go, mom!".

Very strange. :/

 

[Buttercup]

Very strange. :/

I was exaggerating on the disowning. They wouldn't like it, though. I don't think that's very strange at all.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was exaggerating on the disowning. They wouldn't like it, though. I don't think that's very strange at all.

Okay, but I still do see that as unfortunate, personally.

 

[Buttercup]

Okay, but I still do see that as unfortunate, personally.

You see it as unfortunate that my dad and kids wouldn't like it if I had unprotected, recorded sex with possibly hundreds of men?
Oh, good grief. I don't know what to say to that.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You see it as unfortunate that my dad and kids wouldn't like it if I had unprotected, recorded sex with possibly hundreds of men?
Oh, good grief. I don't know what to say to that.

Who said anything about having unprotected sex with hundreds of men?

 

[Buttercup]

Who said anything about having unprotected sex with hundreds of men?

"If" I was a hypothetical porn star, as stated. It's very rare that condoms are used in general porn.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"If" I was a hypothetical porn star, as stated. It's very rare that condoms are used in general porn.

I don't think it's the norm for female porn stars to rack up a score of hundreds of men, unless they're going a lot of amateur gangbangs (which is a niche thing and some women really enjoy that). A lot of them tend to work with a certain "clique" of male actors and work with some actors multiple times.

 

[Sand Dancer]

"SALT LAKE CITY — Utah lawmakers took a bold step in the final minutes of the 2016 Legislative Session. Late Friday night, the Utah House of Representatives passed a resolution declaring pornography a public health crisis. The resolution is the first of its kind in the country.

"Society must see this evil like the epidemic it is," said Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, member of the LDS Church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. "This ought to be seen like a public health crisis, like a war, like an infectious fatal epidemic, like a moral plague on the body politic that is maiming the lives of our citizens."

"We do need to see this (pornography) like avian flu, cholera, diphtheria or polio," said Elder Holland. "It needs to be eradicated."

Elder Holland said pornography should be treated like a war that people from every faith should fight together.

The resolution declaring pornography a public health crisis will be sent to Governor Gary Herbert for his signature.
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Too bad the article doesn't spell out the evil nature of porn that makes it such a public health crises. Or at least give us the hard evidence of its awful effects on people; however, I suspect there isn't much of that at all, and that Elder Jeffrey R. Holland has simply found a platform for self-aggrandizement. It wouldn't be the first time a religious leader (he's a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and currently the sixth most senior apostle of the church) concocted a windmill to tilt at. I just hope that lacking any good evidence that porn is indeed harmful the Governor chucks the resolution out the window.

The only harm I've ever seen documented is to some of the people in porn.

Funny, but the countries and states that usually have the highest porn usage are the more conservative ones. Hmm.

 

[Revoltingest]

Funny, but the countries and states that usually have the highest porn usage are the more conservative ones. Hmm.

This reminds me.......
I once had a maintenance employee who was a devout Xian.
He stole porn from one of my tenants.
I once worked with a fundie Xian engineer.
He lamented Hustler disappearing from the magazines at his barber shop.

So often, my fundie friends complain about decadence in society.
At least these guys found some enjoyment.
(Although I oppose thievery.)

 

[Katzpur]

Pornography is just sexualized images of people or videos of people engaged in sexual acts. How does sex automatically become "depraved" when a camera is introduced into it?

It becomes "depraved" partly because some things are not meant for everyone to see. They are intended to be personal and private. They are "depraved" partly because there is no love involved, and the sex act between human beings is designed to be part of a loving relationship. They are "depraved" partly because they often involve unwilling participants, young women sold as sex slaves and, worse, children. They are "depraved" because, at least in some cases, the sex involves sadism and brutality. There is absolutely no reason why a couple can't have every bit as fulfilling and satisfying of a sex life without porn as with it.

Look, I'm not in favor of making porn illegal because I don't believe in censorship. I don't believe any other adult has the right to tell me what I can and cannot read, listen to or watch. Likewise, I don't believe it's my right to tell any other adult what he can read, listen to or watch. That doesn't mean I have to like it. Sex is not supposed to be ugly, and I see porn as ugly. Life should be about finding beauty in the world, and that's getting harder and harder to do.

But I know myself better.

We'll see, hon. But not to worry -- I love ya one way or the other.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It becomes "depraved" partly because some things are not meant for everyone to see. They are intended to be personal and private. They are "depraved" partly because there is no love involved, and the sex act between human beings is designed to be part of a loving relationship.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion on that. But sometimes sex is mostly for fun, play, exploration and living out fantasies. A lot of times, porn stars request to work with other porn stars because they have a thing for them. Sometimes they're friends. Sometimes it's couples posting pictures and videos of themselves together, because they enjoy sharing. So there mostly certainly can be forms of love involved. Also, it can help you learn what you like, teach you things about your own body and sexuality and help you feel less lonely. Of course, there are also the physical and psychological benefits of masturbation.

They are "depraved" partly because they often involve unwilling participants, young women sold as sex slaves and, worse, children. They are "depraved" because, at least in some cases, the sex involves sadism and brutality. There is absolutely no reason why a couple can't have every bit as fulfilling and satisfying of a sex life without porn as with it.

Those things you mention are illegal and I don't think anyone is going to defend them. I'm talking about legal pornography only.

No one said you couldn't have a fulfilling relationship without porn. Of course you can. But there's nothing wrong with watching (or maybe even making) porn while in a relationship, either.

 

[Katzpur]

Those things you mention are illegal and I don't think anyone is going to defend them. I'm talking about legal pornography only.

But when you're watching porn, how do you know that the participants in what you're watching are not being forced to participate? Or is that just something you shrug off as unimportant?

No one said you couldn't have a fulfilling relationship without porn. Of course you can. But there's nothing wrong with watching (or maybe even making) porn while in a relationship, either.

Well, to each his own.