Pornography poll

[Me Myself]

I can't watch the video cause I'm out and about but the commentary at the bottom tells me nothing in detail about the study and what questions were asked and in what format, interviews? Anonymous questionnaire?

Te only thing I know is this

Journal of Sex Research - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Peer reviewed scientific journal talking about the specific subject does sound a lot better than Alcestes study in which she pretends a street prostitute has the same spychological background of the avarage pornstar.

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[Me Myself]

S in other words, nope it not only doesnt exploit them, but they are plain happier and psychologically healthier than the average woman.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

S in other words, nope it not only doesnt exploit them, but they are plain happier and psychologically healthier than the average woman.

Erm sorry but I'm going to need more then that. How were they measuring self esteem? How were they analysing psychological health?

 

[Me Myself]

Erm sorry but I'm going to need more then that. How were they measuring self esteem? How were they analysing psychological health?

Buy the book.

The study contained in it is a peer reviewed journal SPECIFICALLY about porn actresses quoted by several other unbiased websites were your "evidence" comes from an anti porn and prostitution apologist.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201212/are-porn-actresses-damaged-goods

Damaged Goods Hypothesis Debunked? Study Says Porn Stars Have Great Self-Esteem

Porn Stars As 'Damaged Goods' With Sexual Abuse As A Child Is Inaccurate Stereotype, Study Says

Pornography Actresses: Testing the Damaged Goods Hypothesis – Greg Laden's Blog

 

[Alceste]

In any case, here you go

Pornography Actresses: An Assessment of the Damage... [J Sex Res. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

Extract: In terms of psychological characteristics, porn actresses had higher levels of self-esteem, positive feelings, social support, sexual satisfaction, and spirituality compared to the matched group.

Allso according to the study, the CSA were no higher for porn actresses than for general population of women

At last! Counter-evidence! I don't know why somebody didn't deliver something like this twenty pages ago, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. I will look into this and get back to you.

 

[Alceste]

Buy the book.

The study contained in it is a peer reviewed journal SPECIFICALLY about porn actresses quoted by several other unbiased websites were your "evidence" comes from an anti porn and prostitution apologist.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201212/are-porn-actresses-damaged-goods

Damaged Goods Hypothesis Debunked? Study Says Porn Stars Have Great Self-Esteem

Porn Stars As 'Damaged Goods' With Sexual Abuse As A Child Is Inaccurate Stereotype, Study Says

Pornography Actresses: Testing the Damaged Goods Hypothesis – Greg Laden's Blog

Aren't those all references to the same study?

 

[Alceste]

This criticism seems very reasonable to me.

Reading the Fine Print: Pornography, Damaged Goods and Media Coverage

The sample group represents clients of a single clinic catering exclusively to actors in a legal and reasonably well-regulated industry in a tiny geographical area. One with an unusual proportion of people who desperately want to be movie stars, I would add.

Hardly enough evidence to draw vast general conclusions about all porn everywhere.

Interesting, but not particularly useful.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Awesome. Then we agree!

I would hope that any thinking person would agree that we should help everyone to become more psychologically healthy, as well as do what's possible to reduce the abuse and neglect of children in all forms.

I'd never try to interfere with my friend's prostitution, or even judge her for it. It is a simple fact of life that, like nearly all prostitutes and porn stars (if you, like these other guys, feel the need to insist they are different professions), she was abused as a child. I don't consider prostitution "empowering" for her, and I'm positive she doesn't either. It's just easy money and she'd rather do that than go hungry between normal jobs.

Absolutely. As adults, we all decide what jobs we're willing to do and how much we're willing to work for. It's an unfortunate fact that most of us need to work to survive, but it's simply a fact of life.

Different peoples' baggage, personality, etc. can affect the decisions they make in a variety of ways - and different people will make different decisions, but, at the end of the day, we all have varying degrees and types of experiences and traits, and, in my experience, most people do what actually works for them.

Also, if she had better access to mental health services she might not be into it at all.

I've known women who have a history of childhood sexual abuse that have been prostitutes, strippers, cashiers, administrative assistants, housewives, professors, lawyers, and a hedge fund manager. Perhaps one or all of them would have ended up doing something different if the abuse hadn't occurred, or if they had more or earlier access to pyschological/emotional counseling. Perhaps if I hadn't had a rough childhood, I'd be a broadway performer - who knows.

 

[Alceste]

Also, I found the study and there are some major problems with data collection. The porn actresses wee paid and the control group was not. The actresses completed their surveys in private, in a familiar environment with the encouragement and advice if medical professionals they trust. The control population were randomly approached in colleges and airports and filled out their survey in public, wherever they happened to be. The airport group got no compensation and the college students got an extra credit.

I don't see how such a chaotic method of data collection, with so many differences between the actresses and the regular population, could be expected to yield results that inspire confidence.

 

[Me Myself]

At last! Counter-evidence! I don't know why somebody didn't deliver something like this twenty pages ago, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. I will look into this and get back to you.

Counter? Yiu have provided no evidence for your point.

You pretend that a study on street prostitution or prostitution in a business where the income comes directly from people paying to get sex and not from people paying to watch others make sex are the same, which is obviously wrong. If you think they are, you know nothing of social research.

While I agree that porn actors are prostitutes, the business is cometely different and a study that doesnt treat them as such is worthless.

Its like comparing people on the streets plang football soccer with strangers on the streets to some major football soccer players plang professionally. Sure, both are players, but the circumstances around them are completely different.

You have no evidence for our claims.

None.

 

[Me Myself]

At last! Counter-evidence! I don't know why somebody didn't deliver something like this twenty pages ago, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. I will look into this and get back to you.

Counter? Yiu have provided no evidence for your point.

You pretend that a study on street prostitution or prostitution in a business where the income comes directly from people paying to get sex and not from people paying to watch others make sex are the same, which is obviously wrong. If you think they are, you know nothing of social research.

While I agree that porn actors are prostitutes, the business is cometely different and a study that doesnt treat them as such is worthless.

Its like comparing people on the streets plang football soccer with strangers on the streets to some major football soccer players plang professionally. Sure, both are players, but the circumstances around them are completely different.

You have no evidence for your claims.

None.

 

[Alceste]

I would hope that any thinking person would agree that we should help everyone to become more psychologically healthy, as well as do what's possible to reduce the abuse and neglect of children in all forms.



Absolutely. As adults, we all decide what jobs we're willing to do and how much we're willing to work for. It's an unfortunate fact that most of us need to work to survive, but it's simply a fact of life.

Different peoples' baggage, personality, etc. can affect the decisions they make in a variety of ways - and different people will make different decisions, but, at the end of the day, we all have varying degrees and types of experiences and traits, and, in my experience, most people do what actually works for them.



I've known women who have a history of childhood sexual abuse that have been prostitutes, strippers, cashiers, administrative assistants, housewives, professors, lawyers, and a hedge fund manager. Perhaps one or all of them would have ended up doing something different if the abuse hadn't occurred, or if they had more or earlier access to pyschological/emotional counseling. Perhaps if I hadn't had a rough childhood, I'd be a broadway performer - who knows.

All very good points. I'm not going to go as far as to argue that a job cramming disease riddled penises into all your orifices is really no different from a job flipping burgers, but they are both motivated by economic need. I'd like to see some reasonable workplace safety standards though. We do a much better job protecting the health and safety of burger flippers than porn actors. Seems unfair to the actors.

 

[Alceste]

Counter? Yiu have provided no evidence for your point.

You pretend that a study on street prostitution or prostitution in a business where the income comes directly from people paying to get sex and not from people paying to watch others make sex are the same, which is obviously wrong. If you think they are, you know nothing of social research.

While I agree that porn actors are prostitutes, the business is cometely different and a study that doesnt treat them as such is worthless.

Its like comparing people on the streets plang football soccer with strangers on the streets to some major football soccer players plang professionally. Sure, both are players, but the circumstances around them are completely different.

You have no evidence for your claims.

None.

I don't know why you keep saying that. I've provided four separate sources of evidence. If you have criticisms, be specific. Don't just pretend that never happened. It's silly. Everybody still following this tedious discussion knows I've provided loads of evidence.

Please do criticize it to the best of your ability. I enjoy a debate.

 

[Me Myself]

All very good points. I'm not going to go as far as to argue that a job cramming disease riddled penises into all your orifices is really no different from a job flipping burgers, but they are both motivated by economic need. I'd like to see some reasonable workplace safety standards though. We do a much better job protecting the health and safety of burger flippers than porn actors. Seems unfair to the actors.

What makes you think they are less protected?

And if the motivation was need then most female pornstars would retire fairly qickly, given their paychecks.

Actually, that sounds like an awesome way too se if their motivation was such.

 

[Me Myself]

I don't know why you keep saying that. I've provided four separate sources of evidence. If you have criticisms, be specific. Don't just pretend that never happened. It's silly. Everybody still following this tedious discussion knows I've provided loads of evidence.

Please do criticize it to the best of your ability. I enjoy a debate.

I havent seen them. i ve heard you reference a single interview with a former pornstar i think it was? And a study about prostitution that is an entirely different suect when it comes to a social study on pornography.

But sure, post the links if you want I ll check some of it.

But a single interview with a porn actress is less believable that the opinion of several porn actresses. Mnd you, a single interview in general is just not very believable.

 

[Alceste]

What makes you think they are less protected?

And if the motivation was need then most female pornstars would retire fairly qickly, given their paychecks.

Actually, that sounds like an awesome way too se if their motivation was such.

Are you kidding me? Burger flippers here have to wear gloves and hair nets and take a course on food safety. Porn stars are expected to have unprotected oral, vaginal and anal sex with multiple high risk partners.

Which is the safer job, do you think?

 

[Alceste]

I havent seen them. i ve heard you reference a single interview with a former pornstar i think it was? And a study about prostitution that is an entirely different suect when it comes to a social study on pornography.

But sure, post the links if you want I ll check some of it.

But a single interview with a porn actress is less believable that the opinion of several porn actresses. Mnd you, a single interview in general is just not very believable.

I'm not going to repeat myself for you, apart from telling you once again that I'm not going to repeat myself. If you want to criticize the evidence I provided, go back and find it. Please be specific in your criticism.

 

[Me Myself]

I'm not going to repeat myself for you, apart from telling you once again that I'm not going to repeat myself. If you want to criticize the evidence I provided, go back and find it. Please be specific in your criticism.

I already critisized two. An interview with a porn actress is barely any evidence. She could simply be lying.

Any atudy regarding prostitution cannot be taken as regarding pronographic industry unless their test sample specifically included porn actresses.

 

[Alceste]

I already critisized two. An interview with a porn actress is barely any evidence. She could simply be lying.

Any atudy regarding prostitution cannot be taken as regarding pronographic industry unless their test sample specifically included porn actresses.

Do you have any reason to believe the actress in the interview is dishonest? Which of her specific claims do you believe are lies with and why?

 

[Me Myself]

Do you have any reason to believe the actress in the interview is dishonest? Which of her specific claims do you believe are lies with and why?

I dont have evidence to believe the guy who said was a vampire with crack based saliva until jesuschrist saved him is lying either.

That doesnt mean vampires exist.