Possession - sharing room ?

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

We often hear/see that possession leads to more or less violent expulsion of whatever is the problem.

But is it possible for a human being to live in relative Harmony with whatever is settled inside?

I would like to hear your opinions or stories of people who have/had an experience like this.

I am not speaking of temporary possession like it can happen in a ritual.

Insights from every religion most welcome, non religious too.

Thank you

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[satyaroop]

hello there french lady
no, I don't believe that it's possible to live in "harmony" in such a situation as you described, in fact it sounds highly undesirable putting it mildly
it may be that there are some people who have spiritual parasites - entities which have latched on to, or follow a human victim, and such victims are completely unaware that they have these parasites maybe because they don't believe in the supernatural or they can't perceive these entities or they don't know how to rid themselves of these parasites
it's possible that these parasites affect their victims by causing their victims to have "foreign" "strange" or "alien" thoughts and feelings, thinking or feeling in ways that normally shouldn't be the case
i guess this can be described as partial possession or mild possession..?
but to answer your question, i think it's highly undesirable to have stalkers or parasites from the spiritual realms, even being unwaware of these entities and going through life while being infected with such entities is highly undesirable, no harmony here in my opinion

 

[Liu]

I've got no personal experiences with this, but most accounts of possession I heard of that were described by occultists were of a form where the entity was invited to the possession by the person possessed.
And therefore it of course was seen as being based on a harmonic relationship between the two, and for the advantage of both.
Most often these are just temporary things, only for the duration of the ritual or maybe some hours afterwards, but not necessarily so.

If we are talking about possessions not (or not intentionally) caused/allowed by the person possessed, then that's a different story. Depends on both beings involved, but I would say that at least theoretically a harmonic relationship could occur. It's not the best starting point for one, though, especially since I would assume that an entity possessing someone forcefully would most often be not interested in such.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

Thank you for your answers !
Indeed I was talking about permanent/long term possession and not a temporary one induced ritually.

It makes me wonder, tho... If an already possessed person can call for ritualistic possession by something else? That would make three @__@'

Would be at best exhausting, at worse destructive


Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[DavidFirth]

Vanakkam,

We often hear/see that possession leads to more or less violent expulsion of whatever is the problem.

But is it possible for a human being to live in relative Harmony with whatever is settled inside?

I would like to hear your opinions or stories of people who have/had an experience like this.

I am not speaking of temporary possession like it can happen in a ritual.

Insights from every religion most welcome, non religious too.

Thank you

Aum Namah Shivaya

No. One is never able to live in harmony with demons.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

Thank you for your answer.
There are a lot of entities that are not necessarily "demons" (whatever it means is debatable already)

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[DavidFirth]

Vanakkam,

Thank you for your answer.
There are a lot of entities that are not necessarily "demons" (whatever it means is debatable already)

Aum Namah Shivaya

I only believe that demons possess people.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

I only believe that demons possess people.

This is your belief and I entirely respect it ! Paranormal stuff is still widely unexplored, there is much room for exploration and differing opinions.

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[DavidFirth]

Vanakkam,



This is your belief and I entirely respect it ! Paranormal stuff is still widely unexplored, there is much room for exploration and differing opinions.

Aum Namah Shivaya

Okay, thanks for respecting it.

 

[Liu]

Vanakkam,

Thank you for your answers !
Indeed I was talking about permanent/long term possession and not a temporary one induced ritually.

It makes me wonder, tho... If an already possessed person can call for ritualistic possession by something else? That would make three @__@'

Would be at best exhausting, at worse destructive


Aum Namah Shivaya

You're welcome!
There at least are practitioners working with more than one demon or spirit at the same time. But in regards to full-on possession I'm not sure whether I heard of it being done with more than one simultaneously, and it's certainly not for beginners.
On the other hand, I often encounter the opinion that once one has worked with any entity, part of it will remain with one all the time, so if you wanna count that as possession, then experienced occultists will certainly be connected with more than one spirit without it having necessarily any bad consequences.

 

[Desert Snake]

Yes, this is when the person is trying to turn into the demon. Not autonomous, and you won't be the same, ie you wont be you anymore. Only for a type of satanism, and only with that understanding.

 

[Desert Snake]

There is no 'autonomous 'possession.


The goal of turning into the demon, is that they therefore are the new demon self, not to remain as they were.

 

[Liu]

Yes, this is when the person is trying to turn into the demon. Not autonomous, and you won't be the same, ie you wont be you anymore. Only for a type of satanism, and only with that understanding.

Depends on what you mean by you.
Becoming a demon (in the sense of becoming an immortal being either before or after death) is assumed to be possible if at all then certainly not by losing one's sense of self but rather by refining it.
I certainly have heard of Satanists who asked spirits to help them change their personalities in certain ways. But it's only about adjusting one's psyche in a way more suitable for one's own will and goals and thereby becoming truer to one's self, and not about becoming someone else entirely.

 

[Desert Snake]

Depends on what you mean by you.
Becoming a demon (in the sense of becoming an immortal being either before or after death) is assumed to be possible if at all then certainly not by losing one's sense of self but rather by refining it.
I certainly have heard of Satanists who asked spirits to help them change their personalities in certain ways. But it's only about adjusting one's psyche in a way more suitable for one's own will and goals and thereby becoming truer to one's self, and not about becoming someone else entirely.

The op is asking about possession that isn't temporary, though. The only thing that is, is when the demon merges. The person won't be the same, and won't be autonomous, because autonomous means pre-change, here.

 

[Desert Snake]

Depends on what you mean by you.
Becoming a demon (in the sense of becoming an immortal being either before or after death) is assumed to be possible if at all then certainly not by losing one's sense of self but rather by refining it.

Yes, I wasn't referring to that.

 

[Liu]

The op is asking about possession that isn't temporary, though. The only thing that is, is when the demon merges. The person won't be the same, and won't be autonomous, because autonomous means pre-change, here.

Complete merge with another entity is frowned upon among LHPers, so that would really only apply to a very small group of Satanists who are both spiritually apt enough to actually getting possessed intentionally and at the same time value an external force more than themselves.

I can think of very few such I encountered, but those are either gnostics or they don't consider themselves LHP, i.e. they don't believe that self-deification is possible anyway. And in both cases it wasn't about merging with some random demon but rather with a basically almighty deity they consider themselves to be part of anyway.

Therefore, I think what you're referring to is so rare that we can treat it as if it doesn't exist.

 

[Desert Snake]

Depends on what you mean by you.

Right..in this context, I mean pre-possession, in general

 

[DavidFirth]

Voluntary possession, however you want to consider it, is a dangerous game.

 

[rocala]

One is never able to live in harmony with demons.

I once read a book by a man who had spent many years studying possesion. His conclusion was that there were three types.
1/ By spirits of the dead.
2/ By types of beings who had never lived in the material world.
3/ By living people with an especially developed power.

I presume the second category is what is usually termed 'Demons'.
Nothing in the book indicated that any of these relationships could be harmonious.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yeah, it happens and the beings can live in harmony together. They have to come to an understanding. It can occur over years and even lifetimes. It hasn't happened to me but I know of it happening to others. There's a huge array of beings in existence. Not only "evil" beings can possess. Ghosts, Gods, good spirits, neutral spirits, etc. can possess, too. In Vodun (Voodoo), the goal of certain rituals is to be possessed by a Loa so they can speak through the one being "ridden". Oracles are similar.