Poverty In The U.S. (We Should Be Ashamed!)

[Thief]

See ….the Future of Capitalism
by Lester Thurow
a 1996 speech

he had a gift for spotting would should have been obvious to us all

 

[Thief]

and there was a similar work performed in 2004
same guy

may he RIP

 

[Revoltingest]

this thread is about poverty
and that cannot be addressed without the Robinhood effect

but that would diminish the position of being rich

and at the same time the position of poverty would begin to dissipate

There's the problem I have with the left.
They see poverty, & their focus is upon taking from the rich.
"They have too much! More than they need!"
I present real solutions to help the problem, & very few of'm take any interest.
Seems like nuthin but class warfare to them.
No doubt they'll say it should help the poor.
But they don't say that enuf.

 

[Thief]

There's the problem I have with the left.
They see poverty, & their focus is upon taking from the rich.
"They have too much! More than they need!"
I present real solutions to help the problem, & very few of'm take any interest.
Seems like nuthin but class warfare to them.
No doubt they'll say it should help the poor.
But they don't say that enuf.

nothing to do with class

that president of previous generation saw the problem for what it is

money can be made to flow up hill
just by paper work
the rich don't struggle
they hire lawyers and clerks for that

that president spotted that process for what is and told the rich......
YOU did this
YOU will fix it
and a tax was dealt......anything over $25,000 income
and Uncle Sam gets the rest

might seem harsh
but we have been backsliding from that over several decades
and the play of paper is on us …..again

 

[PureX]

I agree that the solution is not taxing the rich. The solution is taking some control of commerce away from the rich, and giving it to everyone else, so that there will be a balance. The rich just want to get richer, and if they have all the control (as they currently do) that's exactly what will happen. And everyone one else will pay the price for their greed. But if control of commerce is shared, equally, among everyone involved, then so will be the rewards (profits, opportunities, etc.). Taxing the rich to spread the money around when the rich have amassed too much is only a momentary solution. The real solution is to stop them amassing so much wealth in the firth place. and instead, keeping the wealth flowing to and among everyone.

 

[SoyLeche]

I agree that the solution is not taxing the rich. The solution is taking some control of commerce away fro the rich, and giving it to everyone else. So that there will be a balance. The rich just want to get richer, and it they have all the control that's exactly what will happen. And everyone one else will pay the price for their greed. But if control of commerce is shared, equally, then so will be the rewards (profits, opportunities, etc.). Taxing the rich to spread the money around when the rich have amassed too much is only a momentary solution. The real solution is to stop them amassing so much wealth in the firth place. and instead, keeping the wealth flowing around to everyone.

How do you propose accomplishing that goal?

 

[PureX]

How do you propose accomplishing that goal?

It's called socialism. When a business begins hiring employees, they get a say in how the business is run, and they get a share of the profits it generates. As the business interacts with the public, representatives of the public oversee that interaction on behalf of the public, and have a say in how that business conducts itself. The objective being that the people who are being effected by a commercial endeavor get to control that commercial endeavor, not just the owner/investor.

 

[Shad]

That didn't answer my question: why are you presuming unto yourself the right and ability to pass judgment, and inflict sentence on other people?

Yes it did.

Another reason since you want people to feel ashamed in reference to the situations in the video this means I, as a person, get to evaluate if those cases are valid causes. I gave an example in which I feel no shame as I didn't cause Maria to decide to be poor.

You inflict your judgments on others every time you go into the voting booth and support the policies that inflict those "consequences" on the people you presume to judge.

Nope as entitlements are the hardest things to remove from government. Beside you give no examples thus your comment is an emotional throw away comment devoid of substance.

Why are you having such difficulty generating a complete sentence, here?

I didn't. You just didn't read my previous posts.

You are living in a society of humans, all of which give up some their own personal choice in favor of the choices made by the collective, for the benefit of the collective.

I am not a collectivist. That is your problem and your ideology. You demand everyone be something you are then freak out when they are not. I do not believe in social safety nets for all cases. If a person is fired from their job as they are not fulfilled the jobs duties that is that person's problem. If a person quits their job because they do not like it is their problem. If a person is laid off, ie no fault of their own, they can use social systems.

Collectivist always ignore the person involved.

Why shouldn't you do the same?

I am not beholden to your ideology nor the whims of the majority demanding I change my view because the majority things so

And why should the society you live in care who you, personally, would choose to help or not help?

It doesn't.

The response of the collective should be determined on behalf of the collective, not on behalf of your personal judgments. How is it that you can't seem to grasp this?

That is called tyranny of the majority. You are just oblivious to that concept.

You are strawmaning again. When it comes to who I aid and why that is completely up to me not the collective. That is called charity, look it up. Again as per the OP you want individuals to feel shame so you are dealing with individuals ergo individual judgement. Now you are whining because you can not force a guilt trip via your collective babble.

Again what have you done to aid anyone of these people on your own accord beside grandstanding on RF?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Speaking of "increased both in dollar amount and relative to inflation"... In the 60's and 70's on regular jobs one parent could work while one stayed home to raise the kids and still could afford a nice house, a nice car and groceries.
Not anymore.
In today's world people with kids with both parents working a regular job they need assistance of some kind to make it. What happened?

I've been asking that question for decades now.

 

[Shad]

In today's world people with kids with both parents working a regular job they need assistance of some kind to make it. What happened?

Perhaps in the US. This isn't true in every other nation that is considered 1st world.