What do you think about prayer and parasites? I mean Christian prayer looks like clasped hands, and Muslim prayer looks like bowing prostration. Both clasped hands and prostration resemble either an attempt to either hold on to or let go of something; and I say that something is parasites. What do you think? Does prayer in your or another religion correspond to the expulsion or retention of parasites?
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Prayer and Parasites
- Thread starter Cureus
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For what I know the act of clasping comes from prisoners being shackled, guess it kind of stuck, other than that, even if I have a bad cold I still Pray.
Im shocked at the quality of response thank you.
What are you looking at?
What are you looking at?
I don't understand your question.
If this thread does move to the joke section, I'll tell the one about the tapeworm & the lemon cookies.
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Demons are "mind parasites", so yes, prayer can help get rid of them-
Jesus said of a demon that was possessing somebody-
"..this kind goes out by prayer and fasting" (Matt 17:21)
and then he booted it out-
Interestingly, notice he said there are more than one type, maybe we should start a demonology thread..
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It's been said that Satan's greatest con trick is to make many people think he and his demons don't exist, because then they've got no defence..
Basically he scans or "sifts" our minds, looking for weak spots in us that he can make flare up.
Jesus said to Peter - "Satan wanted to sift you" (Luke 22:31)
"Report Mr Spock!"
"We're being scanned captain, source and origin unknown!"
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At any given time, a quarter of the worlds population are infected by (physical) parasites, and I think thats a modest estimate. Many of the hosts may not even know it. Parasites enter, exit, reenter, and sometimes live in the hosts' orifices. For example genus Enterobius, one of the most common worms, likes to come out the hosts rectum at night, lay eggs, and return into the anus.
Religion is much older than modern science, past generations wouldnt have understood parasites as well as todays scientists, and so the question is: Might the physical motions of prayer directly correlate to the retention, expulsion, or recycle of parasites? Let me know how your your comprehension is; I know parasites are a touchy subject.
I wonder how these parasites translate into focused prayer (yoga?). I dont know how common prayer is in Dharmaic religion, or even what it is.
Demons are "mind parasites", so yes, prayer can help get rid of them-
Jesus said of a demon that was possessing somebody-
"..this kind goes out by prayer and fasting" (Matt 17:21)
and then he booted it out-
Interestingly, notice he said there are more than one type, maybe we should start a demonology thread..
Matt's hypothesis seems a bit dated dont you agree? Scripture like that discourages me from christianity, although its a great quote thanks.
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Apple Sugar
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Ridiculous.
You'd have been better received if you would have compared prayer to begging. But parasites? Human life on this planet is parasitic. Prayer is not. Prayer, when one accepts in the Christian faith for instance, the characteristics of God fundamentally, is begging.
It's beseeching an all knowing power that has predestined "your" (impersonal) life according to his will, plan, and for the exaltation of his glory, to change "his" mind. Because "you" can't bear what he's planned and executed to happen in that life you're living.
Another way to look at prayer, (have you ever prayed?) is humbling one's self to reach inside and connect with the higher power that imbues you and all that exists. Realizing you ain't all that. If you were, you wouldn't need to ask for help in any capacity. Or in any posture.
Even atheists pray without it being what is religiously defined as prayer. When they hope something goes better than it is. When they believe things will improve in their life, etc...
You'd have been better received if you would have compared prayer to begging. But parasites? Human life on this planet is parasitic. Prayer is not. Prayer, when one accepts in the Christian faith for instance, the characteristics of God fundamentally, is begging.
It's beseeching an all knowing power that has predestined "your" (impersonal) life according to his will, plan, and for the exaltation of his glory, to change "his" mind. Because "you" can't bear what he's planned and executed to happen in that life you're living.
Another way to look at prayer, (have you ever prayed?) is humbling one's self to reach inside and connect with the higher power that imbues you and all that exists. Realizing you ain't all that. If you were, you wouldn't need to ask for help in any capacity. Or in any posture.
Even atheists pray without it being what is religiously defined as prayer. When they hope something goes better than it is. When they believe things will improve in their life, etc...
I agree Apple Sugar, prayer for me as a child was about doing what I was told. There is an awful lot of spiritual rationale to the prayer I know. However my concern in this topic is that the fundamental reasoning behind prayer is less about the philosophy one considers, and more about the physical conditioning of (for example) clasping. Bodybuilders get frustrated when they cant workout, because they are in the habit of exercising those muscles in that way. Scientists are often drawn to intellectual pursuits because they are used to exercising their brains. Im worried that prayers are there for the wrong reasons. I hope you can see the good in human life on this planet.
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They also say the devil is never any more evil then when he appears to be the angle of light. This might explain the existence of the monotheistic religions and their holy books.It's been said that Satan's greatest con trick is to make many people think he and his demons don't exist, because then they've got no defence..
Basically he scans or "sifts" our minds, looking for weak spots in us that he can make flare up.
Jesus said to Peter - "Satan wanted to sift you" (Luke 22:31)
"Report Mr Spock!"
"We're being scanned captain, source and origin unknown!"
Haha let's just start the church of Spock
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Jesus said- "I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going....you are of this world, I am not of this world...I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (John 8:14/ 8:23, Matt 13:35)
Hey Spock will you listen to him?
"Affirmative, it would be illogical not to listen, I'm all ears"
Hey Spock will you listen to him?
"Affirmative, it would be illogical not to listen, I'm all ears"
Lol now your just being silly.Jesus said- "I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going....you are of this world, I am not of this world...I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (John 8:14/ 8:23, Matt 13:35)
Hey Spock will you listen to him?
"Affirmative, it would be illogical not to listen, I'm all ears"
Spock wouldn't take seriously an unsubstantiated claim coming from what is at least a 3rd hand account.
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Vulcans are quite spiritually-minded..
Spock, traveling back in time to save his own life, presents himself to his parents as a cousin making a ritual journey "to honor our gods". (Star Trek TAS: "Yesteryear").
Vulcans, like many other races, believe in a spiritual place from which they as a people were born. Their name for this place is Sha Ka Ree ("Star Trek V")
In fact, the whole Star Trek franchise is richly laced with religious references..-
An alien 'god' demands Kirk worships him but Kirk replies-"Mankind has no need of gods, we find the One quite adequate" (OST: 'Who Mourns for Adonais")
The rebels on Magna Roma, a nearly perfect "Parallel Earth", seem to worship the "sun", which Uhura discovers is actually God's "Son" Jesus. (OST: "Bread and Circuses").
In the wedding chapel on the Enterprise we can see a sort of altar and some religious symbols, among them a cross (OST: "Balance of Terror").
The computer M-5 states: "Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God" (OST: "The Ultimate Computer").
Dr. Ozaba quotes from the Bible- "In His hands are the deep places of the Earth. Psalm 95, verse 4." (OST: "The Empath").
Dr. Phlox says he has been to a Tibetan monastery and that he has attended a mass at St. Peter's Square. (ENT: "Cold Front").
Bridge officer Lt. Rhada is wearing a bindi, a traditional Hindu symbol, on her forehead (TOS: "That Which Survives")
Edith Keeler runs a Christian mission and soup kitchen in New York in the 1930s (TOS: "The City on the Edge of Forever")
Data mentions a Hindu Festival of Lights in his log entry (TNG: "Data's Day")
There is a mention of a Christmas party (TOS: "Dagger of the Mind")
The Caldos Colony includes a church or chapel and we can hear the attendees say "Amen" (TNG: "Sub Rosa")
The American Indians on Dorvan V continue to practice their old rituals such as vision quests. Picard says he has the deepest respect for them (TNG: "Journey's End")
Kilana asks Sisko: "Do you have any gods, captain?" He replies- "There are things I believe in." (DS9: "The Ship")
Sisko recites from the Bible to his son's surprise. He also appears as a priest in Ben's hallucination (DS9: "Far Beyond the Stars")
Kasidy says she would like to have a priest to perform the wedding ceremony (DS9: "Penumbra")
A church in ST Voyager: "Spirit Folk"-
Picard celebrates Christmas with his family in the Nexus ("Star Trek Generations")-
MORE excerpts-http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/religion.htm
Spock, traveling back in time to save his own life, presents himself to his parents as a cousin making a ritual journey "to honor our gods". (Star Trek TAS: "Yesteryear").
Vulcans, like many other races, believe in a spiritual place from which they as a people were born. Their name for this place is Sha Ka Ree ("Star Trek V")
In fact, the whole Star Trek franchise is richly laced with religious references..
-An alien 'god' demands Kirk worships him but Kirk replies-"Mankind has no need of gods, we find the One quite adequate" (OST: 'Who Mourns for Adonais")
The rebels on Magna Roma, a nearly perfect "Parallel Earth", seem to worship the "sun", which Uhura discovers is actually God's "Son" Jesus. (OST: "Bread and Circuses").
In the wedding chapel on the Enterprise we can see a sort of altar and some religious symbols, among them a cross (OST: "Balance of Terror").
The computer M-5 states: "Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God" (OST: "The Ultimate Computer").
Dr. Ozaba quotes from the Bible- "In His hands are the deep places of the Earth. Psalm 95, verse 4." (OST: "The Empath").
Dr. Phlox says he has been to a Tibetan monastery and that he has attended a mass at St. Peter's Square. (ENT: "Cold Front").
Bridge officer Lt. Rhada is wearing a bindi, a traditional Hindu symbol, on her forehead (TOS: "That Which Survives")
Edith Keeler runs a Christian mission and soup kitchen in New York in the 1930s (TOS: "The City on the Edge of Forever")
Data mentions a Hindu Festival of Lights in his log entry (TNG: "Data's Day")
There is a mention of a Christmas party (TOS: "Dagger of the Mind")
The Caldos Colony includes a church or chapel and we can hear the attendees say "Amen" (TNG: "Sub Rosa")
The American Indians on Dorvan V continue to practice their old rituals such as vision quests. Picard says he has the deepest respect for them (TNG: "Journey's End")
Kilana asks Sisko: "Do you have any gods, captain?" He replies- "There are things I believe in." (DS9: "The Ship")
Sisko recites from the Bible to his son's surprise. He also appears as a priest in Ben's hallucination (DS9: "Far Beyond the Stars")
Kasidy says she would like to have a priest to perform the wedding ceremony (DS9: "Penumbra")
A church in ST Voyager: "Spirit Folk"-
Picard celebrates Christmas with his family in the Nexus ("Star Trek Generations")-
MORE excerpts-http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/religion.htm
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Dude I love you.Vulcans are quite spiritually-minded..
Spock, traveling back in time to save his own life, presents himself to his parents as a cousin making a ritual journey "to honor our gods". (Star Trek TAS: "Yesteryear").
Vulcans, like many other races, believe in a spiritual place from which they as a people were born. Their name for this place is Sha Ka Ree ("Star Trek V")
In fact, the whole Star Trek franchise is richly laced with religious references..
An alien 'god' demands Kirk worships him but Kirk replies-"Mankind has no need of gods, we find the One quite adequate" (OST: 'Who Mourns for Adonais")
The rebels on Magna Roma, a nearly perfect "Parallel Earth", seem to worship the "sun", which Uhura discovers is actually God's "Son" Jesus. (OST: "Bread and Circuses").
In the wedding chapel on the Enterprise we can see a sort of altar and some religious symbols, among them a cross (OST: "Balance of Terror").
The computer M-5 states: "Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God" (OST: "The Ultimate Computer").
Dr. Ozaba quotes from the Bible- "In His hands are the deep places of the Earth. Psalm 95, verse 4." (OST: "The Empath").
Dr. Phlox says he has been to a Tibetan monastery and that he has attended a mass at St. Peter's Square. (ENT: "Cold Front").
Bridge officer Lt. Rhada is wearing a bindi, a traditional Hindu symbol, on her forehead (TOS: "That Which Survives")
Edith Keeler runs a Christian mission and soup kitchen in New York in the 1930s (TOS: "The City on the Edge of Forever")
Data mentions a Hindu Festival of Lights in his log entry (TNG: "Data's Day")
There is a mention of a Christmas party (TOS: "Dagger of the Mind")
The Caldos Colony includes a church or chapel and we can hear the attendees say "Amen" (TNG: "Sub Rosa")
The American Indians on Dorvan V continue to practice their old rituals such as vision quests. Picard says he has the deepest respect for them (TNG: "Journey's End")
Kilana asks Sisko: "Do you have any gods, captain?" He replies- "There are things I believe in." (DS9: "The Ship")
Sisko recites from the Bible to his son's surprise. He also appears as a priest in Ben's hallucination (DS9: "Far Beyond the Stars")
Kasidy says she would like to have a priest to perform the wedding ceremony (DS9: "Penumbra")
A church in ST Voyager: "Spirit Folk"-
Picard celebrates Christmas with his family in the Nexus ("Star Trek Generations")-
MORE excerpts-http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/religion.htm