Pre-Easter and Post-Easter Jesus

[Rainbow Mage]

Do you think it's important to make a distinction between the two? The Pre-Easter Jesus being the man Jesus who taught things and was crucified. The Post-Easter Jesus being the risen Christ or mystic Christ, who Christians believe is divine, saviour of the world, etc. What can differentiating between the two show us?

 

[gzusfrk]

Do you think it's important to make a distinction between the two? The Pre-Easter Jesus being the man Jesus who taught things and was crucified. The Post-Easter Jesus being the risen Christ or mystic Christ, who Christians believe is divine, saviour of the world, etc. What can differentiating between the two show us?

Thats going to be a tough one, since the man Jesus did not teach any thing that He was told to except that which comes from the Father.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Thats going to be a tough one, since the man Jesus did not teach any thing that He was told to except that which comes from the Father.

Scholars seem to believe a distinction should be made between the two. Why would they think that?

 

[Oberon]

Scholars seem to believe a distinction should be made between the two. Why would they think that?

It depends on what the goals of the scholars are, e.g. are they interested in history or theology.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

It depends on what the goals of the scholars are, e.g. are they interested in history or theology.

Well they make good points, such as, is the post-Easter Jesus more a creation of Christianity then the actual Jesus pre-Easter? I think they raise a good question. The Bible itself gives us reason to raise these questions. I'll use an example. The Gospel of John, the latest of the gospels and not considered synoptic, has Jesus calling himself: word of God, true vine, saviour of the world, son of God, bread of life, etc. Do you think it's likely Jesus spoke of himself this way, or that the late Gospel of John is a Christian reflection onto Jesus?

 

[gzusfrk]

Scholars seem to believe a distinction should be made between the two. Why would they think that?

Maybe there riding the fence,maybe they dont know He is the Word, I bet there are some of each that believe He is divine and some dont. Maybe they just need something to do. Maybe its their job. thats all I got for now.

 

[dogsgod]

The "Only begotten Son of God," who came to die for the sins of man, so that all people may have everlasting life in heaven really did exist unlike those other mythical rising gods.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Maybe there riding the fence,maybe they dont know He is the Word, I bet there are some of each that believe He is divine and some dont. Maybe they just need something to do. Maybe its their job. thats all I got for now.

How is it riding the fence? Can you give us a reason one shouldn't critically examine Jesus, the gospels, etc.? If you so strongly believe, you should be able to examine your beliefs with a critical mind.

 

[gzusfrk]

How is it riding the fence? Can you give us a reason one shouldn't critically examine Jesus, the gospels, etc.? If you so strongly believe, you should be able to examine your beliefs with a critical mind.

I never said is was, I just gave some reasons why they would want to make a distinction, none of them maybe true, they might all be. I have no problem with those in this study, often it is a good read.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

gzusfrk would you mind giving your thoughts on an earlier post?

The Gospel of John, the latest of the gospels and not considered synoptic, has Jesus calling himself: word of God, true vine, saviour of the world, son of God, bread of life, etc. Do you think it's likely Jesus spoke of himself this way, or that the late Gospel of John is a Christian reflection onto Jesus?

 

[gzusfrk]

gzusfrk would you mind giving your thoughts on an earlier post?

I think we see that the Father gave Jesus all authority. The gospels had different writers,different versions of the same story. I would consider it synoptic with the rest of the nt. John 5:30 say He did not speak of Himself.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

gzusfrk how is it synoptic? Explain please. Assuming you even know what synoptic means.

 

[gzusfrk]

gzusfrk how is it synoptic? Explain please. Assuming you even know what synoptic means.

His crucifixion, burial and resurrection, are all recorded in the 4 gospels. They are different in "some" ways because of the different writers, some being eye witnesses some not. Plus to see the synoptic view one might need to be a believer.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

His crucifixion, burial and resurrection, are all recorded in the 4 gospels. They are different in "some" ways because of the different writers, some being eye witnesses some not. Plus to see the synoptic view one might need to be a believer.

gzusfrk being a believer or not has nothing to do with John being synoptic. John isn't synoptic because it was written off later traditions then the three synoptic gospels, and uses a different language.

 

[gzusfrk]

gzusfrk being a believer or not has nothing to do with John being synoptic. John isn't synoptic because it was written off later traditions then the three synoptic gospels, and uses a different language.

It uses different language but it says the same thing, I under stand the three synopic gospels, cant say I 100% agree. I dont think that I would 100% agree about written off later traditions, it was only about 20-25 years later than the other 3.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

It uses different language but it says the same thing, I under stand the three synopic gospels, cant say I 100% agree. I dont think that I would 100% agree about written off later traditions, it was only about 20-25 years later than the other 3.

gzusfrk then why don't the three synoptic gospels contain Jesus speaking of himself in such high ways as bread of life, true vine, etc.? Why is this only in the Gospel of John? Furthermore, do you know about the collection of sayings called Q Gospel?

 

[gzusfrk]

gzusfrk then why don't the three synoptic gospels contain Jesus speaking of himself in such high ways as bread of life, true vine, etc.? Why is this only in the Gospel of John? Furthermore, do you know about the collection of sayings called Q Gospel?

He doesnt come right out and say these things, however in matthew 16:24 He says to take up your cross and follow Him, Mark 10:45 He gave His life a ransom for many, this would be bread of life and true vine, also in HIs many parables He speaks of His divine nature, He spoke with God like authority. If all the gospels said the same thing then wouldn't need them all. God wrote what we needed, some things in the nt are only in there once.

 

[gzusfrk]

Oh yea, the Q gospel is ify at best, IMO

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Oh yea, the Q gospel is ify at best, IMO

Then why do they teach it in university? Marcus Borg teaches it at OSU.

 

[gzusfrk]

Then why do they teach it in university? Marcus Borg teaches it at OSU.

I dont know, maybe they like it, maybe they need a job, just because something is ify doesnt mean that it will hold no interest for anyone. At least were in a country that will allow a diversified field of education, for those that want to know more about it.