Predictions about a future with AI

[Ella S.]

Right now the most ardent of AGW advocates are citing a 1-1/2C increase since 1880. Sure, someone could "claim" the entire planet is going to burst into flames by next week but mho is that we've got better things to do.

Many scientists are intentionally choosing to communicate unrealistically optimistic models to the public in order to encourage action now, because there is a non-zero chance that immediate action might allow humanity to survive.

Those optimistic models are based entirely on fantasy, though. They often rely on forms of carbon capture that we don't have now and might even be physically impossible, for instance. They almost all assume that we will suddenly start making rapid progress in the future, without any justifications for those assumptions.

Everything I linked in my post already addresses these optimistic models and points out why they're false. The truth is that those optimistic estimates are inaccurate, according to our current data.

 

[Pete in Panama]

Not when algorithms are allowed to dictate and enforce rules and directives on people like the implementation of smart facial recognition technology, mass surveillance and enforcement, AI monitoring of people's behaviors, COMPAS, automated killing platforms for police and military etc.

It's more than just 'giving it a rest' to ignore and its going to get even worse from here on out.

First, let's get together on terms. An "algorithm" is an instruction to an AI. That's why an algorithm can never "dictate and enforce rules and directives on people". Second, the only place where smart facial recognition is always correct is in the stories we watch from the entertainment industry. In real life it's hit and miss. imho the best example of the worst example of government surveillance is the People's Republic of China, and they're running into lots of problems w/ reality squashing their vain attempts at control.

AI may be a really neat tool, but u can't fly to the moon w/ it. AI is this year's Y2K --if you don't remember what Y2K is please ask.

 

[PureX]

AI will be used to lie, cheat, and steal billions from the general population, as all information technology is.

 

[Pete in Panama]

Many scientists are intentionally choosing to communicate unrealistically optimistic models to the public in order to encourage action now, because there is a non-zero chance that immediate action might allow humanity to survive.

Those optimistic models are based entirely on fantasy, though. They often rely on forms of carbon capture that we don't have now and might even be physically impossible, for instance. They almost all assume that we will suddenly start making rapid progress in the future, without any justifications for those assumptions.

Everything I linked in my post already addresses these optimistic models and points out why they're false. The truth is that those optimistic estimates are inaccurate, according to our current data.

Please clarify, are you saying we're all doomed?

 

[Mock Turtle]

First, let's get together on terms. An "algorithm" is an instruction to an AI. That's why an algorithm can never "dictate and enforce rules and directives on people". Second, the only place where smart facial recognition is always correct is in the stories we watch from the entertainment industry. In real life it's hit and miss. imho the best example of the worst example of government surveillance is the People's Republic of China, and they're running into lots of problems w/ reality squashing their vain attempts at control.

AI may be a really neat tool, but u can't fly to the moon w/ it. AI is this year's Y2K --if you don't remember what Y2K is please ask.

Scrawl this on a wall in your house and come back in ten tears so as to say - I told you so - but I think you will be wrong.

 

[Twilight Hue]

AI will be used to lie, cheat, and steal billions from the general population, as all information technology is.

And it's only going to get worse.

 

[Twilight Hue]

First, let's get together on terms. An "algorithm" is an instruction to an AI. That's why an algorithm can never "dictate and enforce rules and directives on people". Second, the only place where smart facial recognition is always correct is in the stories we watch from the entertainment industry. In real life it's hit and miss. imho the best example of the worst example of government surveillance is the People's Republic of China, and they're running into lots of problems w/ reality squashing their vain attempts at control.

AI may be a really neat tool, but u can't fly to the moon w/ it. AI is this year's Y2K --if you don't remember what Y2K is please ask.

I don't share your confidence at all.

 

[Brickjectivity]

@Stevicus I am resurrecting this thread rather than creating a new one. It is about AI and our society, and this was the only thread which seemed to fit; though its not about the future so much as the present and future.

I watched a video which was about modern antitrust actions in the US Justice Department. It was a short interview (7 minutes) with Jonathan Kanter (in the Justice Department), and it was on a youtube channel called More Perfect Union.

He talks about how AI is being used to actively change prices based upon the individual, and this is happening both with individuals and buyers and at all levels. It happening with rents, with bulk buying, with online buying, with businesses that need to buy things, too. Essentially AI is inflating all prices everywhere or many prices. He gives the analogy of walking up to a cereal box in a store and having the price change just before you get there to match the most the AI thinks you would pay. It is the new danger that is getting around the laws against price fixing schemes. Also he talks about non-compete agreements that try to prevent workers from getting promotions.

Personally I think I have seen this happen with online retail, but I am not sure.

 

[Twilight Hue]

AI will be used to lie, cheat, and steal billions from the general population, as all information technology is.

I actually agree and to boot it's all done in seconds to people.