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Pres. of Iran a Stark Raving Lunatic

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
In a series of CNN Headline News Glenn Beck broadcasts Benjamin Netanyahu has made some compelling and alarming statements regarding the real threat presented by Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, mainly that Iran is well on its way to becoming a nuclear power. More to the point, an UNDETERRABLE nuclear power unlike any other.

Nuclear bombs in the hands of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be like handing an atomic bomb to David Koresh. He is a megalomaniac, he is delusional, and his hateful diatribes calling for complete extermination of Jews and Israel have gone largely unreported by the mainstream media in the West, although the middle east is getting a steady diet of his hate speech every day.

His denial of the Holocaust is but one example:

In a December 2005 speech, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that the Holocaust was a "fairy tale" that had been promoted to protect Israel, ramping up his rhetoric and triggering a fresh wave of international denunciation. "They have fabricated a legend under the name 'Massacre of the Jews', and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves," he said. He also called for Israel to be relocated to Germany, or Austria, arguing it was these nations that persecuted the Jews, so they ought to bear the responsibility, not Palestinians forsaking their land to form a nation of Israel. He also suggested relocating Israeli Jews to the United States.[38]


Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal described Ahmadinejad's comments as "courageous" and stated that "...Muslim people will defend Iran because it voices what they have in their hearts, in particular the Palestinian people."[40] In the United States, the Muslim Public Affairs Council condemned Ahmadinejad's remarks.[41]

On 24 April 2006, he called on Jews in Israel to go back to their countries of origin and allow the Palestinians to return to their homelands. "Anti-Semitism in Europe has forced Jews to leave their countries of origin, but what they did instead was occupy a country which is not theirs but that of Palestinians," Ahmadinejad said in a press conference in Tehran. He then went on to again demand a free evaluation of the real extent of the Holocaust "in order to find the ultimate truth." A senior official in the Israeli government charged the Iranian president of offering a "Nazi-type solution" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In January 2006, Iran announced that it would sponsor a conference to examine the historiography of the Holocaust, specifically addressing the question of whether the Holocaust was exaggerated. On September 3, 2006, during a visit to Iran by UN Secretary GeneralKofi Annan, the Iranian Foreign Ministry reiterated its commitment to hold such a conference during the autumn of 2006. The Associated Press quoted Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi as saying: "God willing, a conference on the Holocaust will be held in the autumn. The Holocaust is not a sacred issue that one can't touch. I have visited the Nazi camps in Eastern Europe. I think it is exaggerated."[42]


In October 2005 Ahmadinejad gave a speech that contained antagonistic statements about Israel. According to widely published translations, he agreed with a statement he attributed to Ayatollah Khomeini that the "occupying regime" had to be removed, and referred to Israel as a "disgraceful stain [on] the Islamic world" that would be eliminated.[1]


Other quotable quotes:

“Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury.”


"The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world."

There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world, ... The World without Zionism.”

“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map”

Tehran, Nov 10, IRNA:
"The man hunters whose hands are stained with the blood of millions of innocent people pretend hypocritically that they are worried about the people's lives."
Ahmadinejad emphasized, "Thanks God, our mighty nation relying on the grace of God, its strong will, and the culture of martyrdom and selflessness, would pursue its proud path resolutely, and no enemy can do a damn thing regarding our nuclear program."

The president said, "The free world nations are enthusiastically watching Iran's achievements, since the world nations favor the establishment of political systems based on justice, monotheism, and spirituality, and they are shouting that demand."

Ahmadinejad emphasized, "It is not merely the world Muslims that pursue the establishment of justice and the rule of monotheists in he world, since the entire mankind is after achieving those goals today."

The president pointed out that the establishment of justice in the society is faced with numerous obstacles, further explaining, "They create crises on the path of the establishment of justice, since those who have got used to looting the public properties know they would ose their interests once justice would be established."

.... more






According to Agence France-Presse, October 20, Ahmadinejad said the following:
• Without a doubt, the Zionist regime would disappear and the Western powers should know that as of now, every government supporting the Zionist regime would see only the results of the hatred the people of the region [felt for them]. In addition, the rage of the nations of the region was boiling and the efforts to stabilize that regime of deceit had failed completely, praise to Allah. The Zionist regime, he claimed, had lost the rationale for its existence. [At the previous day's rally at Islamshahr Ahmadinejad noted that “the Zionist regime” was illegitimate and could no longer continue to exist.]
• He added that those warnings were an ultimatum to the Western powers , which should not complain they were not forewarned, saying very clearly that if the hurricane began, the West could rest assured that its dimensions would carry it beyond the geographic borders of Palestine . He also warned the West that the Zionist regime would drag its supporters into the abyss, and that their best solution would be to take all the elements of the Zionist regime and throw them away.





 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
NETANYAHU: I think the most important thing to understand is that -- you know the best sign of how dangerous things are? That the president of Iran is not even trying to fake it.

You know, normally, if he wasn`t as fanatic as he is, he`d say, "Well, you know, yes, I think we could recognize Israel if it made the right concessions to the Palestinians." He`d play along; he`d play the game. He`d say, "We`re not really developing nuclear weapons. We just want nuclear energy for peace." You know, he`d say all that.

But that`s not what he`s saying. He`s saying -- and listen to him carefully. He`s saying, "We`re going to wipe Israel off the map. The Holocaust didn`t happen. America`s the great Satan. Iran will have the power to reshape history."

Now, a normal person would not say that. An insane person says that. In the 1930s, an insane person wrote in a book called, "Mein Kampf," "My Struggle," and that was Adolf Hitler. He said exactly what he would do. He was stark-raving mad, but he communicated.

You asked for a sign? That was a sign, 300 pages of signs, OK? Ahmadinejad every day is writing a page. He`s saying what he`s going to do. That`s the best sign. That tells you that there`s a fanaticism at work here which is not even calculating. He`s just going to do it. And let`s not enable him to do it. Let`s stop him."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/17/gb.01.html

I think the video is available on the CNN site, as well as transcripts and video of
"Exposed: The Extremist Agenda" which is an hour long analysis of hate propaganda never addressed in the western mainstream media.

again: I APOLOGIZE for the thread title typo it should of course be IRAN not Iraq!!

Note to all RF friends of all persuasions: the subject matter centers around actions and inflammatory hate speech of Islamic EXTREMISTS particularly in Iran, not to be confused with MUSLIMS IN GENERAL or to the religion itself.
 

croak

Trickster
mainly that Iran is well on its way to becoming a nuclear power. More to the point, an UNDETERRABLE nuclear power unlike any other.
That's funny. Seriously.

Complete List of All U.S. Nuclear Weapons . I doubt it's all of them, but... -shrugs-

Israel's Nuclear Weapons Program

Why did I put those two links?

1) The US could easily destroy Iran if it wanted to.
2) Israel isn't exactly in danger, now, is it? Plenty of weapons.

Now, how many nuclear weapons does Iran have?
I'll give you a moment to think about it. Feel free to speculate.


Oh my god. That transcript.... it sounds like Iran is Jack the Ripper and Israel a defenseless little girl.

I have no idea how that metaphor popped into my head.
 

BUDDY

User of Aspercreme
Paw said:
That's funny. Seriously.

Complete List of All U.S. Nuclear Weapons . I doubt it's all of them, but... -shrugs-

Israel's Nuclear Weapons Program

Why did I put those two links?

1) The US could easily destroy Iran if it wanted to.
2) Israel isn't exactly in danger, now, is it? Plenty of weapons.

Now, how many nuclear weapons does Iran have?
I'll give you a moment to think about it. Feel free to speculate.


Oh my god. That transcript.... it sounds like Iran is Jack the Ripper and Israel a defenseless little girl.

I have no idea how that metaphor popped into my head.
Okay, now come back to reality. The scariest thing about Iran with a nuclear weapon is there propensity for violence and the support of violence. The subject of the thread is not what we and other countries have, it is what Iran is trying to get. If this nation secures a nuclear arsenal and technology, they will either use it, or allow it to be used by terrorist organizations, and then do it in such a way as to guarantee plausible deniability. Quit trying to make the US the bad guy when that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Iran should not be allowed to get the weapon, and if you can not see that, then pull your head out of the sand. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
You have read the recent report by the CIA?

Iran has NO VIABLE ATOMIC WEAPON or WEAPONS PROGRAMS.

And as far as Israel is concerned, people who live in glass houses should be very careful indeed about the stones they throw.

Kiwimac
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
Paw said:
That's funny. Seriously.

Complete List of All U.S. Nuclear Weapons . I doubt it's all of them, but... -shrugs-

Israel's Nuclear Weapons Program

Why did I put those two links?

1) The US could easily destroy Iran if it wanted to.
2) Israel isn't exactly in danger, now, is it? Plenty of weapons.

Now, how many nuclear weapons does Iran have?
I'll give you a moment to think about it. Feel free to speculate.


Oh my god. That transcript.... it sounds like Iran is Jack the Ripper and Israel a defenseless little girl.

I have no idea how that metaphor popped into my head.
BUDDY said:
Okay, now come back to reality. The scariest thing about Iran with a nuclear weapon is there propensity for violence and the support of violence. The subject of the thread is not what we and other countries have, it is what Iran is trying to get. If this nation secures a nuclear arsenal and technology, they will either use it, or allow it to be used by terrorist organizations, and then do it in such a way as to guarantee plausible deniability. Quit trying to make the US the bad guy when that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Iran should not be allowed to get the weapon, and if you can not see that, then pull your head out of the sand. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
There are many in Iran who want to establish Iran as a world power, as the Great Persian Empire it once was. You really have to understand Iran's history in order to understand the dangers of it owning nuclear weapons. Nuclear capability will give them an ability to invade, a poticial and militeristic edge.
They've also clearly demonstrated their hostilities towards Isreal. It's doesn't end there. North Korea and other middle eastern countries are supposedly collaborating.
(IMO) This is leading to world war 3. Tensions will only continue. Iran and other countries will continue to build up their might.
Another thing:
Leaders of the US are already considering a military draft.
President Bush has called in all of our military leaders for a meeting.
That should tell you something.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
BUDDY said:
Okay, now come back to reality. The scariest thing about Iran with a nuclear weapon is there propensity for violence and the support of violence. The subject of the thread is not what we and other countries have, it is what Iran is trying to get. If this nation secures a nuclear arsenal and technology, they will either use it, or allow it to be used by terrorist organizations, and then do it in such a way as to guarantee plausible deniability. Quit trying to make the US the bad guy when that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Iran should not be allowed to get the weapon, and if you can not see that, then pull your head out of the sand. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Yeah, the difference is suicidal maniacs are undeterrable. Rational human beings don't want to drop the big one knowing they will suffer the same fate in return.

Example (thanks to Ody for providing this):

"There are 50 million Arabs. What does it matter if we lose 10 million people to kill all the Jews? The price is worth it." - King Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia calling for a genocide of the Jews when Israel was declared a state, 1947.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict
 

lunamoth

Will to love
My main concern is that this is part of the front wave of propaganda intentionally cutlivated to create fear so we will be willing to attack Iran when the administration wants. It happened before Iraq, and now this seems like the exact same thing. Trying to get us to brain-stem it rather than use rational thinking.

If I were cynical I'd be very worried about the timing of this kind of 'news.' There is after all a presently weak Republican administration trying to stay in power. :sarcastic

2 c,
lunamoth
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
lunamoth said:
My main concern is that this is part of the front wave of propaganda intentionally cutlivated to create fear so we will be willing to attack Iran when the administration wants. It happened before Iraq, and now this seems like the exact same thing. Trying to get us to brain-stem it rather than use rational thinking.

If I were cynical I'd be very worried about the timing of this kind of 'news.' There is after all a presently weak Republican administration trying to stay in power. :sarcastic

2 c,
lunamoth

Well said, and well analysed, and right to the point of the reasons behind the hula hula on Iran nuclear weapon. Frubals to you.:D
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
lunamoth said:
My main concern is that this is part of the front wave of propaganda intentionally cutlivated to create fear so we will be willing to attack Iran when the administration wants. It happened before Iraq, and now this seems like the exact same thing. Trying to get us to brain-stem it rather than use rational thinking.

If I were cynical I'd be very worried about the timing of this kind of 'news.' There is after all a presently weak Republican administration trying to stay in power. :sarcastic

2 c,
lunamoth
In that case the wise thing to do would be to educate oneself rather than entertain any sort of a kneejerk reaction one way or the other.

The harsh reality is that this particular program required what was practically an act of God to be televised. The exposure of extremist propaganda is not on the mainstream media's agenda, AT ALL. In fact, it's quite the opposite. If you believe CNN created the material shown, just come out and say so, but at least watch the video and do a little research (esp. the Iranian owned websites and comments by Iranian nationals who have left Iran).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8

Really there is too much at stake to remain biased for any reason. If there is another holocaust, who will be blamed for the apathy.

There are many wise, well-educated and reasonable people urging us to wake up to a genuine threat, and I for one can no longer in good conscience turn away and refuse to consider what they are saying no matter how unpleasant the realities may be. There are many Iranian nationals with blogs and websites reporting the same thing.

There are too many elements in our own culture and outside who have gotten really good at blowing smoke up our skirts. The reasons range from a skewed sense of political correctness to an outright intent to deceive for their own political purposes.

The only thing I can say is "don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining".

The negative assumptions you have noted in your post are neither unexpected nor unpopular.

However they are unsubstantiated and so I stand by what I've seen for myself and tried to share with others here.
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
So
There are too many elements in our own culture and outside who have gotten really good at blowing smoke up our skirts. The reasons range from a skewed sense of political correctness to an outright intent to deceive for their own political purposes.

Your quoting propaganda is pure and for the purposes of education but if anyone counters you it means they are either being PC or deliberately trying to decieve you. We call that paranoia where I come from.
 

BUDDY

User of Aspercreme
Cynic said:
Another thing:
Leaders of the US are already considering a military draft.
President Bush has called in all of our military leaders for a meeting.
That should tell you something.
Again, let's come back to reality here. Charlie Rangle talked about introducing legislation in order re-institute the draft, and immediately everyone on his side of the aisle talked about what a horrible idea it was. So I don't think it exactly the precursor to invasion that you are imagining. Also, with an ongoing war on two fronts, the President meets with military leaders every week. It doesn't indicate anything other than a man trying to run his administration. World War III is not about to happen, there are many many things that would have to happen first before it turns into that, and Iran has a long ways to go before they develop into a nuclear power. It is just our job to lead those who oppose them becoming one, and keep that from happening.
 

BUDDY

User of Aspercreme
kiwimac said:
You have read the recent report by the CIA?

Iran has NO VIABLE ATOMIC WEAPON or WEAPONS PROGRAMS.

And as far as Israel is concerned, people who live in glass houses should be very careful indeed about the stones they throw.

Kiwimac
Can you provide the link to that please? Twenty years ago there was no chunnel, or chunnel program, but now there is one and it works great. MY point is, you don't just sit back and see what your enemy has and take stock in it, you see what they want and what they are working to get. It is called being proactive.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
I think Buddy is the voice of reason here. While my initial post may be viewed as being "alarmist" perhaps that was its point... sometimes it IS appropriate to stand up in a crowd and wave your hand.

But at gut-level I seriously believe no matter what the CIA or anyone else says, the world's leadership and intelligence community are fully aware of everything and won't allow it to go that far (WWIII). That's not to say there's no threat, and I passionately believe it's the responsibility of citizens of the free world to know the truth about this man, the men who surround him, the Mullahs and the Supreme Leader Khamenei and their barbaric, sick intentions.
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
BUDDY said:
Can you provide the link to that please? Twenty years ago there was no chunnel, or chunnel program, but now there is one and it works great. MY point is, you don't just sit back and see what your enemy has and take stock in it, you see what they want and what they are working to get. It is called being proactive.

The following News reports reference it:

http://tinyurl.com/uhqcj

http://tinyurl.com/ye9295

Note the report itself is classified.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
Re the CIA report, Too bad it's classified, I'd like to see it instead of others' evaluations of it.

Consider this (I'd heard about it before but haven't read the NYT book):


Clinton Scheme Gave Iran Nuke Blueprints


In a hairbrained scheme that was personally approved by then-President Clinton, the CIA deliberately gave Iranian physicists blueprints for part of a nuclear bomb that likely helped Tehran advance its nuclear weapons development program.

The allegation, detailed in the new book "State of War," by New York Times reporter James Risen, comes as the Iranian nuclear crisis appears to be coming to a head, with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad urging that Israel be "wiped off the map" and his government announcing last week that it will resume uranium enrichment on Monday.

Reports Risen: "It's not clear who originally came up with the idea, but the plan [to give Tehran nuclear blueprints] was first approved by Clinton."
Beginning in February 2000, the CIA recruited a Russian scientist who had defected to the US years earlier. His mission: Take the nuclear blueprints to Vienna to sell them - or simply give them - to the Iranian representatives for the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Dubbed "Operation Merlin," the plan was supposed to steer Iranian physicists off track by incorporating design flaws in the blueprints that would render the information worthless.


But in what may turn out to be one of the greatest foreign policy blunders of all time, Operation Merlin backfired when the Russian scientist spotted the design flaws immediately - and even offered to help Iran fix the problems.

Risen said the Clinton-approved plan ended up handing Tehran "one of the greatest engineering secrets in the world, providing the solution to one of a handful of problems that separated nuclear powers such as the United States and Russia from rogue countries such as Iran that were desperate to join the nuclear club but had so far fallen short."

He noted that thanks to the bizarre operation, Iran could now "leapfrog one of the last remaining engineering hurdles blocking its path to a nuclear weapon."

Ironically, Risen's New York Times has declined to cover Mr. Clinton's Iranian nuclear debacle - concentrating instead on his book's dubious claims that the National Security Agency was first authorized to commence domestic wiretapping by President Bush. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/7/120534.shtml
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Moon Woman said:
Re the CIA report, Too bad it's classified, I'd like to see it instead of others' evaluations of it.

Consider this (I'd heard about it before but haven't read the NYT book):


Clinton Scheme Gave Iran Nuke Blueprints


In a hairbrained scheme that was personally approved by then-President Clinton, the CIA deliberately gave Iranian physicists blueprints for part of a nuclear bomb that likely helped Tehran advance its nuclear weapons development program.

The allegation, detailed in the new book "State of War," by New York Times reporter James Risen, comes as the Iranian nuclear crisis appears to be coming to a head, with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad urging that Israel be "wiped off the map" and his government announcing last week that it will resume uranium enrichment on Monday.

Now we have seen it all, the conservative and liberal accusing each other of the Iran crisis. BIG JOKE:D :D :D
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
BUDDY said:
Again, let's come back to reality here. Charlie Rangle talked about introducing legislation in order re-institute the draft, and immediately everyone on his side of the aisle talked about what a horrible idea it was. So I don't think it exactly the precursor to invasion that you are imagining. Also, with an ongoing war on two fronts, the President meets with military leaders every week. It doesn't indicate anything other than a man trying to run his administration. World War III is not about to happen, there are many many things that would have to happen first before it turns into that, and Iran has a long ways to go before they develop into a nuclear power. It is just our job to lead those who oppose them becoming one, and keep that from happening.
*Sighs* I hate it when people exaggerate to me what they've heard on the news... I didn't see the news myself, but someone told me the "news" I iterated in my previous post.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Iran will give inspectors access to records and equipment from two of its nuclear sites, the head of the UN's atomic agency, the IAEA, has said.
Mohamed ElBaradei said he hoped Iran's move would begin a series of measures that would clear suspicions over its nuclear programme. The IAEA has however rejected an Iranian request for help in building a heavy-water nuclear reactor at Arak.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6176934.stm
 
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