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President Milei says that Government is a criminal association

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's not about Milei.
It's about that sentence.
If you believe that Government is a criminal association, say it tranquilly.
Liberate yourself. ;)
I wouldn't support a sentence without
a context from someone I don't know.
I'm not that dumb.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I wouldn't support a sentence without
a context from someone I don't know.
I'm not that dumb.
Milei: I feel a profound contempt towards the State. I think that the State is the enemy. I think that the State is a criminal association.
Interviewer: A criminal association?
Milei: Absolutely. It is in fact a criminal association where a group of politicians come to agreement in order to use the monopoly on violence to steal the resources from the private sector.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Milei: I feel a profound contempt towards the State. I think that the State is the enemy. I think that the State is a criminal association.
Interviewer: A criminal association?
Milei: Absolutely. It is in fact a criminal association where a group of politicians come to agreement in order to use the monopoly on violence to steal the resources from the private sector.
OK, I accept that he said that.
Why expect me to like him?
I often care little for people with
whom I agree about some things.
I can even loathe them.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
OK, I accept that he said that.
Why expect me to like him?
I often care little for people with
whom I agree about some things.
I can even loathe them.
I didn't expect you to like him as person.
Just the sentence.

For instance, dems say very smart things every now and then. But I don't like the Democratic Party :)
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It is easy for Milei to say many things. And he shows it.

Governments can be quite inconvenient and even harmful, and I am certain that there is plenty to criticize fiercely in Argentina's, but I find myself hard pressed to attempt to believe that Argentinians do not ultimately want to have some form of State providing such things as infrastructure (water, energy, roads and other transportation, police, education, public health, job policies).

I don't expect the average Argentinian to have much trust in any given government, but that quite separate a matter.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It is easy for Milei to say many things. And he shows it.

Governments can be quite inconvenient and even harmful, and I am certain that there is plenty to criticize fiercely in Argentina's, but I find myself hard pressed to attempt to believe that Argentinians do not ultimately want to have some form of State providing such things as infrastructure (water, energy, roads and other transportation, police, education, public health, job policies).

I don't expect the average Argentinian to have much trust in any given government, but that quite separate a matter.
I think of something else.
I think that in the Nineteenth century Brazil and Argentina were very rich. No wonder so many Europeans migrated to there.
But then something else happened.
Then an elitist cabal of ravenous wolves coming from a big country came down and started slithering like cunning serpents...into the key-sectors of the economy, impoverishing the middle class there and phagocytizing all the money.

That's what I think :)
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
If you say so.

For what it is worth, there seems to be a fairly solid consensus that Argentina's woes are the result of mainly an over-reliance on agropecuary exports with little industrialization aggravated by a long, ongoing period of populist, Peronist and military governments. Its politics are confused.

As for Brazil... it is really not all that different, come to think of it.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
If you say so.

For what it is worth, there seems to be a fairly solid consensus that Argentina's woes are the result of mainly an over-reliance on agropecuary exports with little industrialization aggravated by a long, ongoing period of populist, Peronist and military governments. Its politics are confused.

As for Brazil... it is really not all that different, come to think of it.
One question: do you understand Spanish?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Fairly well, yes.
Perfect.
This video shows that the Argentina's partido justicialista and Italian fascism have so much in common: the same root that instrumentalizes the state's power to create social justice.
Mussolini was a leftist...are you convinced, now?


And I believe that Peron was a great statesman. He was very smart.
They had to destroy what he has done. They, the demons coming from the North.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Perfect.
This video shows that the Argentina's partido justicialista and Italian fascism have so much in common: the same root that instrumentalizes the state's power to create social justice.
Mussolini was a leftist...are you convinced, now?


And I believe that Peron was a great statesman. He was very smart.
They had to destroy what he has done. They, the demons coming from the North.
Do you even have to ask?

Of course I am not.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Peron admits that he went to Italy to study leftism...it was the thirties...come on.

Enlighten me...explain me how you would define Peronism. :)
Peronism isn't "leftist". It is pure populism with no regard to ideological coherence.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
How would you define leftist, then?
Roughly speaking, it amounts to deciding that the well-being of people has political worth, is a political value worth pursuing. And that individual wealth is sometimes a lesser priority by comparison.

Peronism is all about personalities and promises. It may align with the left-wing in certain circunstances, but it may also oppose it.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Mussolini invented the Government. The notion of State.

By using his militias to subdue all the enemies of the common welfare. ;)

Selfish aristocrats and landowners.
I forgot to ask about this.

Maybe there is some sort of noise operating here? Surely you do not mean that.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Roughly speaking, it amounts to deciding that the well-being of people has political worth, is a political value worth pursuing. And that individual wealth is sometimes a lesser priority by comparison.
What Peronism used to do.
Peronism is all about personalities and promises. It may align with the left-wing in certain circumstances, but it may also oppose it.
Promises which were kept. The factory workers and the farmers were aided by the State.
By the way the Movimento Sociale Italiano , which is the ancestor of the party in charge in Italy today, sided with Peron. Viva Peron was a very common phrase used between the forties and the fifties by the MSI.
 
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