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Situations of self defence rarely allow much time for scriptural consultation

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

So can you give in the Bible the book and chapter and verse as to where it is written, that a person does not have the right to take the attackers life, exactly where is that written at, what book and chapter and verse.
It seems you do alot of saying, but little to show your proof.

The proper use of self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. In Luke 22:36, Jesus tells His remaining disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that now was the time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense. Just a short time later, Jesus is arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act (verses 49–51). Why? In his zeal to defend the Lord, Peter was standing in the way of God’s will. Jesus had told His disciples multiple times that He must be arrested, put on trial, and die (e.g., Matthew 17:22–23). In other words, Peter acted unwisely in that situation. We must have wisdom regarding when to fight and when not to.

Exodus 22 gives some clues about God’s attitude toward self-defense: “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.

Paul engaged in self-defense on occasion, although non-violently. When he was about to be flogged by the Romans in Jerusalem, Paul quietly informed the centurion with the scourge that he, Paul, was a Roman citizen. The authorities were immediately alarmed and began to treat Paul differently, knowing they had violated Roman law by even putting him in chains. Paul had used a similar defense in Philippi—after he was flogged—in order to secure an official apology from those who had violated his rights (Acts 16:37–39).

The Bible never forbids self-defense, and believers are allowed to defend themselves and their families. But the fact that we are permitted to defend ourselves does not necessarily mean we must do so in every situation. Knowing God’s heart through reading His Word and relying on “the wisdom that comes from heaven” (James 3:17) will help us know how to best respond in situations that might call for self-defense.

You have yet to provide a verse that says it's okay to use nuclear weapons to kill innocent civilians in the name of self defense.

Wrong, Peter and the others wanted to use violence against the high priest to get their way, but Jesus ever the pacifist showed them a better way by healing the man who lost his ear. It was for that act it self that Jesus told them to bring a couple of swords in the first place.

Exodus 22::2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. That's means the jewish law would not demand that man be tried for murder, but that does not mean God believes the death to be justified.

Yes, Paul never killed anyone in his self defense proving my point again.

I never said it forbade self-defense, but that you shouldn't kill your attacker in response.

So once again show me the verse where in the bible Jesus says its okay to use nuclear weapons on innocents.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You have yet to provide a verse that says it's okay to use nuclear weapons to kill innocent civilians in the name of self defense.

Wrong, Peter and the others wanted to use violence against the high priest to get their way, but Jesus ever the pacifist showed them a better way by healing the man who lost his ear. It was for that act it self that Jesus told them to bring a couple of swords in the first place.

Exodus 22::2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. That's means the jewish law would not demand that man be tried for murder, but that does not mean God believes the death to be justified.

Yes, Paul never killed anyone in his self defense proving my point again.

I never said it forbade self-defense, but that you shouldn't kill your attacker in response.

So once again show me the verse where in the bible Jesus says its okay to use nuclear weapons on innocents.

You can't be Serious, seeing that nuclear weapons didn't come about until around the 21st century.

But still if another country threatens us with nuclear weapons, then we have every right to defend ourselves with and by nuclear weapons.

Seeing that at the time of Jesus, their main weapons of defense were swords and Spears.

The proper use of self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. In Luke 22:36, Jesus tells His remaining disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that now was the time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense. Just a short time later, Jesus is arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act (verses 49–51). Why? In his zeal to defend the Lord, Peter was standing in the way of God’s will. Jesus had told His disciples multiple times that He must be arrested, put on trial, and die (e.g., Matthew 17:22–23). In other words, Peter acted unwisely in that situation. We must have wisdom regarding when to fight and when not to.

Therefore, as in our world to day, if another country threatens us with nuclear weapons, we have the same right, As they did in the time of Jesus, to defend ourselves.whether it be by swords or nuclear weapons.

It's like this, you do not take a knife to a gun fight.
So what would be your answer, that if another country threatens you with nuclear weapons, What would you do, Seeing they are threating you with nuclear Holocaust.

 

[metis]

But still if another country threatens us with nuclear weapons, then we have every right to defend ourselves with and by nuclear weapons.

So you would say that Jesus would say "Nuke 'em back!"? Strange as this is not exactly compatible with turn thy cheek and to be as harmless as doves as Jesus taught.

Using nuclear weapons is not a "defense" since there's really no way to stop myriads of incoming warheads-- it's simply an act of revenge that would kill millions of innocent people, maybe even billions.

Your opinion is secular and not in any way Christian.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So you would say that Jesus would say "Nuke 'em back!"? Strange as this is not exactly compatible with turn thy cheek and to be as harmless as doves as Jesus taught.

Using nuclear weapons is not a "defense" since there's really no way to stop myriads of incoming warheads-- it's simply an act of revenge that would kill millions of innocent people, maybe even billions.

Your opinion is secular and not in any way Christian.

Had you any idea or clue, what Jesus ment by turn the other cheek.
You think it means, that if someone hits you, that you are to turn the cheek so they can hit you again, Now that is most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

What that means, is that if someone talking to someone else, and that person they are talking to, tells them they had enough, that they don't want to hear anything more, But the other person keeps right on going, until the other person hits them, Now the other person is to turn the other cheek, all because they should haved stop when the other person told them to stop, that they had enough.
But instead they kept right on going, until the person hit them, So they got what they deserved.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Had you any idea or clue, what Jesus ment by turn the other cheek.
You think it means, that if someone hits you, that you are to turn the cheek so they can hit you again, Now that is most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
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i have always thought that was the point. I think its lovely.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Jesus has nothing to fo with WW3 - get over it. No one is right when it comes to jesus for christs sake.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

You can't be Serious, seeing that nuclear weapons didn't come about until around the 21st century.

But still if another country threatens us with nuclear weapons, then we have every right to defend ourselves with and by nuclear weapons.

Seeing that at the time of Jesus, their main weapons of defense were swords and Spears.

The proper use of self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. In Luke 22:36, Jesus tells His remaining disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that now was the time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense. Just a short time later, Jesus is arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act (verses 49–51). Why? In his zeal to defend the Lord, Peter was standing in the way of God’s will. Jesus had told His disciples multiple times that He must be arrested, put on trial, and die (e.g., Matthew 17:22–23). In other words, Peter acted unwisely in that situation. We must have wisdom regarding when to fight and when not to.

Therefore, as in our world to day, if another country threatens us with nuclear weapons, we have the same right, As they did in the time of Jesus, to defend ourselves.whether it be by swords or nuclear weapons.

It's like this, you do not take a knife to a gun fight.
So what would be your answer, that if another country threatens you with nuclear weapons, What would you do, Seeing they are threating you with nuclear Holocaust.

So you think it's okay for us to use nuclear weapons. Once again you have showed us that you don't actually follow the teachings of Jesus, but instead you use it to justify your own hypocrisy.

You repeated the same thing over and over again. I am not against self-defense. I am against killing in the name of self-defense.

So once again I ask for the specific verse in which Jesus condones the wanton slaughter of innocents with any method know to man.