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President Trump To NASA: I Want You Back On The Moon, Then Mars Next

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
President Trump To NASA: I Want You Back On The Moon, Then Mars Next


I am over joyed to see the president putting effort and focus on the American space program. For those keeping score at home, there are now three racers in the contest to Mars: SpaceX, Boeing, and NASA. Although, it is unclear if NASA will be developing vehicles or if they will contract out to SpaceX or Boeing, but it is exciting nonetheless!

Tagging fellow space nerd @Laika.
Waste of money.
Won't happen on his schedule anyway.
Harder than people think.
And living on Mars as Plan B is the fantasy of people who've watched too much STTNG.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Investment into aerospace technologies has almost always generated a financial return.
That is often said.
But that doesn't mean that throwing money at a problem is the most cost effective use.
The alternative is NASAs faster-cheaper-better approach to exploring the universe.

Also, NASA will claim more than is deserved. I recently searched for info about my old
haunts at Black & Decker Medical Products Division. Lo, I found a claim by NASA that
our projects were a spinoff of their technology. Balderdash! Although other B&D arms
did provide NASA with drilling technology for Moon surface sampling.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
That is often said.
But that doesn't mean that throwing money at a problem is the most cost effective use.
The alternative is NASAs faster-cheaper-better approach to exploring the universe.
Yeah, we have hashed this out before. We agree on most parts, so I am willing to agree to disagree on this one.

Also, NASA will claim more than is deserved. I recently searched for info about my old haunts at Black & Decker Medical Products Division. Lo, I found a claim by NASA that our projects were a spinoff of their technology. Balderdash!
I hear that many technologies were branched from NASA but I never dug deeper.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I hear that many technologies were branched from NASA but I never dug deeper.
And some, like ablative technology, never led anywhere useful....except to NASA.
(I remember at Northrop all those experts needing a new line of work.)

But to toss you an olive branch, I'd prefer pouring money into a spendy Moon
or Mars mission than into another war. Just don't give up the more scientifically
valuable programs of unmanned exploration & remote sensing.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I have a strong suspicion this is where we are going to go. Budget cuts in this area are common and not likely to stop anytime soon. Meanwhile, we will need the private sector to help out.
I'm glad to hear NASA get any funding. That said, given his business background, a partnership with SpaceX and Boeing would seem to be a no-brainer.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I'm glad to hear NASA get any funding. That said, given his business background, a partnership with SpaceX and Boeing would seem to be a no-brainer.
NASA already has contracts with both, it will be interesting to see if those contracts/roles change as we move forward.
 

Misunderstood

Active Member
I am with you and am very excited. I love space and am glad to see any moment forward. I think it keeps us occupied with something other than war, and helps us increase technology that helps us in our daily lives.
 
If the powers that be were more concerned with results than profit, many things would be possible. Inserting things into orbit with a solar array/battery powered railgun for instance. But it will not happen because the idea of not giving more money to big oil (rocket fuel) is anathema to our capitalist goverment.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If the powers that be were more concerned with results than profit, many things would be possible. Inserting things into orbit with a solar array/battery powered railgun for instance. But it will not happen because the idea of not giving more money to big oil (rocket fuel) is anathema to our capitalist goverment.
Do you see any difficulties with using rail guns to launch things into orbit?
If the Big Oil conspiracy were so powerful, why is it that Americastan has
such a long history of using hydrogen as a propellant?
(Fossil fuel rocket propellant is more of a Soviet thingie.)
Ref...
NASA - Liquid Hydrogen--the Fuel of Choice for Space Exploration
Russian Rockets and Space Launchers | Historic Spacecraft
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
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Do you see any difficulties with using rail guns to launch things into orbit?
If the Big Oil conspiracy were so powerful, why is it that Americastan has
such a long history of using hydrogen as a propellant?
(Fossil fuel rocket propellant is more of a Russian thingie.)
You can't send people via railgun, as the resulting g-force from the rapid acceleration would squish them. Also, it's, as of now, a bit tricky to re-aim. However, if you know where in orbit you would like to have a space station/platform, it would be virtually cost free (after building) to launch "things".
 
It's an old idea.
The high G loads & friction generated heat would be difficult problems to overcome.
G forces would greatly limit the size of objects so launched.
But there could be potential for anti-satellite guided warheads.
Oh, boy!
Things can be secured. Aerodynamics and heat ablative shielding. The rest is just math.
 
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