Primordial Soup

[shunyadragon]

Did life spring forth from this soup? I'm having difficulty believing that.

It helps to understand the science considers today to be the 'primordial soup?' It is an old out of date term.

What is your knowledge in the sciences that concern abiogenesis? Is your skepticism science based or religious based?

The present science for the origin of life is in the mid ocean spreading ridges of continental drift that have the ideal environment for the origin of life. Geologic evidence indicates continental drift and the formation of midocean ridges had to occur before life began. The oldest fossils of first earliest primitive life is found in tocks formed in this environment 3.5 billion years old: Oldest fossils ever found show life on Earth began before 3.5 billion years ago.

More to follow . . .

 

[Jimmy]

I repeat, dna is made of just 4 nucleotides. Those nucleotides base pairs can give a maximum of only 256 combination


It only gets complicated at the chromosome level, a human has just 23 chromosomes which give over 8 million possible combinations of the nucleotides

The origin and rise of dna is complex and the dna of every organism is different so….

 

[Jimmy]

It helps to understand the science considers today to be the 'primordial soup?' It is an old out of date term.

What is your knowledge in the sciences that concern abiogenesis? Is your skepticism science based or religious based?

The present science for the origin of life is in the mid ocean spreading ridges of continental drift that have the ideal environment for the origin of life. Geologic evidence indicates continental drift and the formation of midocean ridges had to occur before life began. The oldest fossils of first earliest primitive life is found in tocks formed in this environment 3.5 billion years old: Oldest fossils ever found show life on Earth began before 3.5 billion years ago.

More to follow . . .

Yeah I know this too.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't know if you are aware but 93% of the world population is not subject to the same timezones as the 7% of the world population living in the Americas.

I was dozing off for my beauty sleep when @Moon posted. And guess what. I also have a life outside RF so this morning i have fed breakfast to 5 cats and family, been to 2 Sunday markets and done a little housework before opening RF.

FYI... Moons deliberately ignorant post was the second post i answered on opening RF.

I'm sorry, I was (am) not aware of all the conflicts here. (Only some of them.)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Right Cyanobacteria came before terrestrial plants. Still took 4 billion from single celled to terrestrial though

Yes and that was because there was not enough oxygen in the air. You are not listening.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can I ask, are you refuting every point made to you because you think they are false, or you need them to be false for reasons you're not stating?

I think that you mean denying. He has not refuted anything.

 

[Jimmy]

Yes and that was because there was not enough oxygen in the air. You are not listening.

Right. What's your point?

 

[Jimmy]

I think that you mean denying. He has not refuted anything.

Never denied or refuted. Only expressed my bewilderment

 

[Jimmy]

Not sure about misinterpretation, you yourself have been discussing evolution throughout this thread. Moving goalposts won't make that go away

Not moving goalposts. You misinterpreted

 

[Subduction Zone]

Right. What's your point?

That you have no point. You keep making poor arguments for no known reason. @ChristineM was asking you, why are you making such poor arguments?

 

[shunyadragon]

The origin and rise of dna is complex and the dna of every organism is different so….

so . . . ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Never denied or refuted. Only expressed my bewilderment

I suppose that we could agree that you do appear to be very bewildered.

Why are you arguing this way?

 

[Jimmy]

I think this quote bout sums up this thread

"Scientists are not close to knowing the exact processes that took place on the earth which led to the origins of life. They may never know the exact answer because the evidence for this very primitive life has probably been destroyed by the more efficient life which evolved from it

 

[YoursTrue]

But you have seen life -- so you know it exists. Now, the problem is, it exists in such a way that life mostly feeds on other life. Does it seem to you that an intelligent and (hopefully) good God would create life that can exist only by the death of other life? Usually violently, often incredibly cruelly (like wasps keeping caterpillars alive so their larvae can eat it alive from the inside and still have it all nice and fresh). So @ChristineM is quite right, you only have 2 other choices -- well, 3 actually -- life was brought here from somewhere else (but then you must ask "how did that life begin?"), or life always existed (we know that's not true), or life arose from the elements and chemical reactions available on earth at a time very different from now. (Abiogenesis came about in conditions that don't exist today -- and then changed the conditions in which it lived through its own living processes.)

Why would I say that life was not brought by God? No matter what theories are proposed as if to say life came about naturally without a superior intelligence with purpose, I don't see or agree that life came about, arose somehow from a chemical reaction. (With or without God.) In other words, I do not believe life came about from a chemical reaction. somehow. I believe God established life and allows it to continue as He wills. There is no theory that convinces me otherwise now.

 

[Jimmy]

so . . . ?

That only shows it's complexity

 

[Heyo]

It is weird. That’s all this thread is about really. The strangeness of it.

I guess my fellow scientifically oriented members are arguing a point you didn't make (here). As I see it, you are accepting the science, especially the timeline of Earth's development and the evolution of life on it. We usually deal with people who don't on this forum.

 

[ChristineM]

Not moving goalposts. You misinterpreted

I suggest you read you own posts.

 

[Jimmy]

I guess my fellow scientifically oriented members are arguing a point you didn't make (here). As I see it, you are accepting the science, especially the timeline of Earth's development and the evolution of life on it. We usually deal with people who don't on this forum.

Haha right

 

[Jimmy]

I suggest you read you own posts.

It was a misunderstanding is all no biggy maybe it was me who knows

 

[ChristineM]

The origin and rise of dna is complex and the dna of every organism is different so….

Because there are a lot of variations of a very simple mechanism. That is quantity not complexity.