Privilege

[Jimmy]

Do we? I suppose that depends on which school we are brought up in. Private religious schools can teach whatever they like, even if they teach that aparthied South Africa was a good thing because black folks there wouldn't have been brought up to the current socio-economic level they are at now without "help" from white people. Or that the civil war was really about state rights and slavery was just glossed over real quickly. This is what I learned in school, at least

Oh we also learn to treat people kind from our parents hopefully

 

[The Hammer]

It may take a while to learn and grow and develop humility in life. Sometimes that gets forgotten when one is just trying to survive. The world can be rough unfortunately

People can also grow and learn by having things made apparent and obvious to them.

They don't need to rely on their own wisdom, to gain wisdom. Our species has always taught each other the things we need to learn and grow.

 

[Jimmy]

People can also grow and learn by having things made apparent and obvious to them.

They don't need to rely on their own wisdom, to gain wisdom. Our species has always taught each other the things we need to learn and grow.

Is it any more apparent? Unfortunately it is not.

 

[The Hammer]

Is it any more apparent? Unfortunately it is not.

Then I guess you weren't paying attention either.

That's to be expected, and is fine.

 

[Father Heathen]

I do not allow myself to feel shame or regret over anything I have ever done. Why then… would I feel it over my ancestors?

Why would being aware of social disparities require feeling guilt or shame over it?

 

[Soandso]

Oh we also learn to treat people kind from our parents hopefully

Very true. Empathy is important for sure. Unfortunately, that isn't always enough. People can only understand their own understanding within the context of the lives that they live - I only understand the world through my own life experiences

As a man, I can never know what it's like to be a woman. I don't have to think about what it's like to walk somewhere isolated by myself and be afraid of being attacked. That doesn't mean discussing these things are designed to make me feel bad for being a man. They are designed to give me better underatanding so I can better empathize when a woman crosses to the other side of the street when she sees me walking towards her on the same sidewalk as her, for example

Nothing exists in a vacuum

 

[sun rise]

It's not dead but alive and growing. And it's not just skin color but bigotry of all kinds that is sadly getting worse. Psychological defense mechanisms come into play when people are asked to look at their attitudes and actions and that includes denial.

 

[Jimmy]

So now we have to teach people that feeling bad or depressed over it is not good.

 

[Jimmy]

It's not dead but alive and growing. And it's not just skin color but bigotry of all kinds that is sadly getting worse. Psychological defense mechanisms come into play when people are asked to look at their attitudes and actions and that includes denial.

Unfortunately it will take much for true worldwide equality

 

[SomeRandom]

So now that the whole white privilege thing has died down I'm wondering what the point of it was. To make white people feel bad? Did it change social injustice? It seems like it was just a lot of talk.

This is my issue with slogans or as you call it quips.
It’s a message that is essentially an abridgement of a larger much more nuanced discussion in terms of social studies and politics.
But because of this, it is often easily misunderstood or even weaponised against it.
White privilege is not to be taken so literally. It’s just a discussion about how the majority (in this case white people) can have certain unknown/unseen advantages that others don’t. That’s not to say that white people can’t be poor or have their own issues, they absolutely can be mistreated by the system as well. It’s just that there are issues that are unique to others outside of that group as well. Those two things can be true at the same time.

But you know not everyone can communicate such a incredibly nuanced discussion to the public. I mean I certainly can’t. As you can tell from my rather sloppy post. So it loses its meaning as those who find offence in the term rally against it and see to it that the status quo remains the same. Either intentionally or even unintentionally

 

[Jimmy]

This is my issue with slogans or as you call it quips.
It’s a message that is essentially an abridgement of a larger much more nuanced discussion in terms of social studies and politics.
But because of this, it is often easily misunderstood or even weaponised against it.
White privilege is not to be taken so literally. It’s just a discussion about how the majority (in this case white people) can have certain unknown/unseen advantages that others don’t. That’s not to say that white people can’t be poor or have their own issues, they absolutely can be mistreated by the system as well. It’s just that there are issues that are unique to others outside of that group as well. Those two things can be true at the same time.

But you know not everyone can communicate such a incredibly nuanced discussion to the public. I mean I certainly can’t. As you can tell from my rather sloppy post. So it loses its meaning as those who find offence in the term rally against it and see to it that the status quo remains the same. Either intentionally or even unintentionally

It's not accomplishing anything in the real world

 

[Jimmy]

Why would being aware of social disparities require feeling guilt or shame over it?

Then I guess people should start saying white privilege exists but we don't feel bad about it.

It's just dumb

 

[Jimmy]

Before it was called social inequality.
Now it's called white privilege.
Apparently social inequality wasn't good enough.
Wonder what's next.

Social inequality is actually better cuz it covers the world.

 

[Father Heathen]

Then I guess people should start saying white privilege exists but we don't feel bad about it.

It's just dumb

The only people I've ever heard mention guilt or shame were conservatives having knee-jerk reactions.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The only people I've ever heard mention guilt or shame were conservatives having knee-jerk reactions.

Really? Where?

 

[Jimmy]

The term social inequality covers the world. so when someone uses the term white privilege just know that there love for equality doesn't include all. Maybe we'll get back to educating properly rather than using 2¢ quips.

I mean if that's our goal. To make people aware then let's do it

 

[SomeRandom]

It's not accomplishing anything in the real world

That’s my issue really. It only creates angst and resentment. And then people just end up arguing needlessly
Though in saying that, people do tend to double down whenever they are challenged. So I do think that folks in general should take a breath and actually engage (in good faith) in discussions. Even if they perceive ideas to be offensive or insulting to them. Because that’s how we grow and learn

But humans be humans I guess

 

[Father Heathen]

Really? Where?

Seriously?

This very thread for one, son.

 

[Stevicus]

So now that the whole white privilege thing has died down I'm wondering what the point of it was. To make white people feel bad? Did it change social injustice? It seems like it was just a lot of talk.

I don't think it ever really "died down," although I think it was Corporate America's attempt at virtue signaling, and it was rightfully seen by many as disingenuous and hypocritical.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

I'm sure they were aware.

My experience has been that many, many privileged people don't think they are at all...