"Pro-lifers": why didn't you do this first?

[Scott C.]

They don't differ so much that either of these has ever been advocated by any mainstream "pro-life" organization in the US, do they?


If it's because of stances on government involvement, then I'm sure that you can point me to organizations that are doing these things privately:

"Hey, pregnant woman! If you carry your baby to term, we'll pay you a living while you take care of him/her, then guarantee you a job through our voluntary network of like-minded employers when you're ready to go back to work!"

Does THIS ever happen? Or is what you describe conservatism of the "we want a government so small we can stick it in a woman's vagina" variety?


If you think so, then show me. What are "pro-life" organizations doing that doesn't involve harming women or taking away their rights?

You promote a liberal ideology and are claiming that those who promote a conservative agenda want to punish women. You are jumping to that conclusion and have no proof. If I were to accuse abortionists of being baby haters, I would also be jumping to a conclusion with no proof. How in the world do you make the leap from "I don't think it's the proper role of government to regulate employee benefits" to "let's stick it to the woman's vagina"? That's a biased and unrealistic interpretation.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You promote a liberal ideology and are claiming that those who promote a conservative agenda want to punish women. You are jumping to that conclusion and have no proof. If I were to accuse abortionists of being baby haters, I would also be jumping to a conclusion with no proof.

I could also furnish you with plenty of evidence that the accusation is wrong, like I asked of you and you have yet to give.

How in the world do you make the leap from "I don't think it's the proper role of government to regulate employee benefits" to "let's stick it to the woman's vagina"? That's a biased and unrealistic interpretation.

There are a few steps in between, and a long legacy of "pro-life" groups spewing hateful rhetoric and doing things to increase unwanted pregancies.

 

[Scott C.]

I find it troubling and a bit offensive that a pro-choicer would accuse a pro-lifer of having a hidden agenda, or an underlying motive of punishing women. I'm opposed to abortion. I raised two girls. Had one of them become pregnant as a teenager, I would have felt bad for her. I would love and forgive and nurture and care for her. I would also encourage her to let the baby go to full term, as I would see that as the best option for my daughter and for the baby. For a pro-choicer to say that I'm punishing my daughter, is presumptuous, biased, incorrect, self righteous, and arrogant. Only I as a loving father, who would gladly give my life for one of my children, and who is quick to forgive their indiscretions, will know the motivations of my heart.

 

[Scott C.]

I could also furnish you with plenty of evidence that the accusation is wrong, like I asked of you and you have yet to give.

Once again, pro-small government, pro-life, anti-contraception, pro-military, pro-gun rights, pro-sexual abstinence outside of marriage are all conservative positions. They are not evidence of hatred towards women. You offer no proof. You simply point to a conservative position and say, "there you go, how could anyone have that position, unless they hate women"? That conclusion demonstrates your lack of insight into conservative thought and the motivations behind it. Prove to me the negative motivations of conservative positions.

 

[Scott C.]

Now, are there any who have this attitude?...

"I'm not going to provide contraceptives to that teen aged whore. If she's going to sleep around, I hope she gets pregnant. She deserves to face the consequences. And once she's pregnant, hell no she can't get an abortion. That's too easy. Make her suffer for nine months. And after the baby's born, what if she decides to raise it? Heck no, make her give it up for adoption. She doesn't deserve to keep it, the little sl*t."

Is there anyone out there who is so condemning, mean, heartless, unforgiving, judgmental, and self-righteous? Well, since there are terrorists and rapists and murderers in this world, this kind of person probably exists too. But come on, is this the norm for a pro-lifer? Absolutely not. The thought is absurd. Pro-life is based on love and compassion for the mother and child. If you don't see it, you need some heart to heart discussions with pro-lifers who you know and trust. Maybe you'll learn something.