If you are talking about some kind of after-life judgment, then that is no use whatsoever to us here on Earth. Otherwise, please explain.
Not afterlife.
Do you know what's happening two hundred trillion miles away at this moment?
You don't, right.
What if you could know... if what were happening would or could have a present and future impact on our life?
I'm sure the science guys would all like to know all the mysteries of quantum mechanics.
Well, whether we know it, or not, there is more happening outside of our scope.
This happened at a point in time in our present day, but is history now.
Daniel 7:9-10
Only those who value the truth recognizes this though. The Bible isn't fiction, as some claim. It tells us the truth.
Whether we believe it or not, is a matter for us.
That changes nothing.
You are just making my point for me. What you are doing is picking one religion's interpretation of one scriptural passage and claiming that is the Truth and all the others are false (by implication). Devotees of other religions, or other opinions within yours, could make statements that contradict yours, just as dogmatically. Where do we go from there?
Well if something is true, it doesn't really matter what I pick, does it?
For example, if I held out to a crowd - yourself included, one hundred $100.00 bills, and in there is only one legit bill... all the rest are counterfeit. ...but I picked the one I know is genuine... first.
It doesn't really matter who cries moo, that all are the same, does it?
One is genuine. If I have it, a thousand moos won't change that , will it.
While there are 99 people holding a counterfeit, there is only one holding the real thing.
So I don't find the argument you used - which I hear so very often - very useful.
It would make more sense to say no religion is good. Fullstop, and forget about who uses scripture or not.
Scientists have disagreements, and they have different ideas. You don't hear anyone making the argument that some scientists pick one interpretation and claim that is the Truth and all the others are false...
Oh wait. We do hear that.
The problem skeptics are having though, is that they aren't sure, That's not a problem for those who are.
All the prophets were sure. Jesus was sure. The apostles were sure. All of Jesus disciples were, and
are sure... 100%.
It's comparable to they all holding the genuine bills, while counterfeits fly all around them. Perhaps you remember, that was the case? It's in the Bible.
(Matthew 7:15) Be on the watch for the false prophets . . .
(Matthew 24:11) Many false prophets will arise and mislead many. . .
(Matthew 24:24) For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.
(2 Corinthians 11:13) For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
Just as individuals can identify real money, from counterfeit, individuals are obligated to identify true religion, from false.
The marks are given.
Failing to identify those marks is not the fault of true religion.
Actually, true religion not only demonstrate the mark. They advocate them. People have no excuse.
It's good that you admit it, but will you also admit that "two wrongs make a right" is not a particularly logical argument?
Admit what, exactly?
Well, of course my statement doesn't render his statement unreasonable... because it was only to help him see the need to stop throwing stones, when you live in a glass house.
Besides, I do not consider all statements said in ignorance to be unreasonable. They are sometimes sincere, and can be meaningful.
I believe he was sincere, though wrong.
I don't think he fully thought it through, and so I turned the table, with the hope he realizes it.
If he persists with the argument, then I would consider him being unreasonable.
When anyone presents a solution to all of humanity's problem, they don't come across as kind of full of themselves... regardless of who they are.
Experts do this all the time, by using evidence and data. That's what I did.
However, I understand he was just looking for the first opportunity to lash out at me.
A few atheists on here would like to get their hands around my throat.
Does two wrongs make a right?
Sometimes.
Now, I hope you don't go telling me I am wrong, because we will have to get into that debate about who gets to decide what is good or bad.
I can think of some examples where God does not condemn this... for the purpose of helping the arrogant.
- Ezekiel 3:7-9 Sometimes, being as stubborn as the stubborn is necessary. See Isaiah 50:7
- 2 Corinthians 11:16-20 Sometimes, boasting - though not a good thing - may be necessary. See 2 Corinthians 10:8
So, yes, meeting arrogance with arrogance is necessary... at times.
The trick is in knowing when to use it... I don't admit to getting it right 100%.
That's an odd set of statements.
You see evidence for God. OK, lots of people do.
If God is, that is an absolute truth. Yes. I'm not sure how "absolute truth" is different from simple "truth". Do you mean "absolutely true", meaning totally true. With a single statement of existence, that's pretty obvious. Of course we're going to need a definition of "God" at some point.
I don't see how the last sentence follows from what precedes it. Maybe you didn't intend it to be a logical conclusion?
I see evidence for God. If God is, that is an absolute truth... which none of us can change.
I therefore cannot agree with your believe that it is not the absolute truth that there is a God.
I think it sounds confusing too... reading it over.
The reason is probably punctuation... or lack of it.
, and because I copied and pasted his quote, and don't double check how it sounded. Oops.
I therefore cannot agree with your believe belief, that it is not the absolute truth that there is a God.
Is that okay now?