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Problems vs. Solutions and criticizing (e.g.), BLM

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
PureX said:
Rape is a problem that is also not going to go away. But that does not mean that it's wise for us to simply accept it as inevitable and participate in it.....
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That is a very strange inference.

My approach....
Recognize that it happens.
Take measures to avoid & reduce it.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Revoltingest said:
I'm both.
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So am I. But I am a hard core realist and I would't be surprised if the current problems in the USA don't end well. I.e. civil war; massive civil unrest; dictatorship and what not. As it stands I assign that a non-trivial chance of happening.

So do you want to bet? We can try to agree on the rules, but here is what we "put on line". For one year, the winner can choose the losers avatar and signature as within forum rules.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
So am I. But I am a hard core realist and I would't be surprised if the current problems in the USA don't end well. I.e. civil war; massive civil unrest; dictatorship and what not. As it stands I assign that a non-trivial chance of happening.
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Massive civil unrest is hard to quantify.
It seems we already have that.
The others won't happen.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Revoltingest said:
Won't happen.
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So we now need the fine print:
Civil war is easy, before February 1st 2021.
Massive unrest in X cities over 1 million people with 2 weeks before February 1st 2021. State a value for X.
Dictatorship; e.g. the suspension of the election and the declaration of Trump or Biden as the winner. Note not that SC allows some version within the constitution.
Collapse of the USA economy as US Treasury bonds get C or lower as their ranking; before 2022.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
So we now need the fine print:
Civil war is easy, before February 1st 2021.
Massive unrest in X cities over 1 million people with 2 weeks before February 1st 2021. State a value for X.
Dictatorship; e.g. the suspension of the election and the declaration of Trump or Biden as the winner. Note not that SC allows some version within the constitution.
Collapse of the USA economy as US Treasury bonds get C or lower as their ranking; before 2022.
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I'll pass on getting caught in that briar patch.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
That is a very strange inference.

My approach....
Recognize that it happens.
Take measures to avoid & reduce it.
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And the same ought to go for selfishness and greed. But it clearly does not. We treat greed and selfishness as if it were heroic, and wise. Piling up many times more of whatever we need to survive and thrive while others go without is something most of us aspire to doing. And should we succeed, we will consider it evidence of our innate superiority over those others who are going without. Just as we revere those who have succeeded before us. The exploiters are the superior humans, while the exploited deserve what they get. A kind of Darwinian materialist's religion.

Meanwhile our culture and society fall steadily and increasingly into wholesale corruption and moral indifference that can only end in total collapse and disaster.
 
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Tambourine

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
@icehorse
@Revoltingest

So what measures do you guys suggest to reduce police violence against Black people?

So far, the best I got here was "eliminate all income inequality and establish a classless society", but that feels a little too far-reaching for something to be put directly into action. So what have you got?
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Tambourine said:
what measures do you guys suggest to reduce police violence against Black people?
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We'd need to start by asking, honestly, "Why is there police violence against Black people?"

If the only answer allowed into the conversation is "White people are racist!", then you aren't going to get a useful answer.
Tom
 
Tambourine

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
columbus said:
We'd need to start by asking, honestly, "Why is there police violence against Black people?"

If the only answer allowed into the conversation is "White people are racist!", then you aren't going to get a useful answer.
Tom
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Am I currently preventing you from speaking your mind?

Are you being repressed?
 
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gnomon

gnomon

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icehorse said:
It seems as though many (not all to be sure), of the folks who are protesting these days have come to believe that if a person has a problem, they’re the best source of the solution. When did this become a thing? We don’t take this myth seriously in most other domains of human endeavor.

If I tear my ACL, I’m clearly the person that best understands the pain associated. But that doesn’t make me a knee surgeon.

But as a white male, I’m often scolded for criticizing BLM or other protesting groups. I’m told “if I haven’t lived it, I don’t know it”, or some such. It seems as though the scolders are bundling the problem and the solution together.
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What a garbage analogy. Try again.
 
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