Problems with Adventist futurism

[sooda]

A cautionary tale from an Adventist.

Excerpt:

There is among some Seventh-day Adventists an obsession with prophetic speculation. The present time of relative peace and waiting is disturbing to them, leading them to reinterpret apocalyptic prophecy along futurist lines.

In the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, they find predictions related to some of the contemporary nations of the Middle East and even identify prominent political and religious leaders as specific fulfillments of prophecy. In doing so they commit two errors about which church co-founder Ellen G. White has alerted us.

1. A misapplication of prophecy. By misapplying biblical prophecy they reach wrong conclusions. How does this happen? In her Manuscripts Release Volume 1, she explains: "Some will take the truth applicable to their time, and place it in the future. Events in the train of prophecy that had their fulfillment away in the past are made future, and thus by these theories the faith of some is undermined."

This statement rejects the introduction of futurism into Adventist prophetic interpretation, through the reapplication of prophecies, and suggests two points about those who would try to do so:

First, they have forgotten that the adversary is constantly at work on human minds. Therefore, Bible students should be wary of personal interpretations of prophecy. Second, they ignore the Lord's past leading of His people in the interpretation of prophecy. They detach themselves from the rest of the body of Christ by coming up with their own personal interpretation of biblical prophecies.

2. Emotional Excitement. A false sense of excitement will damage the image and message of the church.

There are some who, when studying not only prophecy but the Bible more generally, "have a burning desire to get out something new and strange to present to the flock of God," White wrote in a manuscript. 'The rebuke of God is upon all such teachers," she said.

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Problems with Adventist futurism

 

[sooda]

Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy - opens in January 2002 on the campus of Liberty University
Lynchburg, V.A., Dr. Jerry Falwell - Chancellor. Tim LaHaye says he was impressed by the prophecy conferences of Albury Park and Powerscourt held in Britain in the 1820's and 1830's and this led directly to his co-founding the Pre-trib Research Center. Edward Irving and J. N. Darby attended, and apparently greatly influenced, these 19th century British prophecy conferences where the secret rapture and futurism gained in acceptance among Protestant prophecy scholars.

 

[Left Coast]

Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy - opens in January 2002 on the campus of Liberty University
Lynchburg, V.A., Dr. Jerry Falwell - Chancellor. Tim LaHaye says he was impressed by the prophecy conferences of Albury Park and Powerscourt held in Britain in the 1820's and 1830's and this led directly to his co-founding the Pre-trib Research Center. Edward Irving and J. N. Darby attended, and apparently greatly influenced, these 19th century British prophecy conferences where the secret rapture and futurism gained in acceptance among Protestant prophecy scholars.

Having been raised a dispensationalist, I was shocked when I got older and learned that system of theology was only 200 years old.

Adventist prophecy seems particularly obsessed with Catholicism, which even as a lapsed Catholic I see as truly bizarre.

 

[sooda]

Having been raised a dispensationalist, I was shocked when I got older and learned that system of theology was only 200 years old.

Adventist prophecy seems particularly obsessed with Catholicism, which even as a lapsed Catholic I see as truly bizarre.

LOLOL.. Winning converts by bashing the Catholics is as lame as it gets.

 

[Left Coast]

LOLOL.. Winning converts by bashing the Catholics is as lame as it gets.

Ironically also my issue with Satanism, LOL.

 

[Terry Sampson]

"Problems with Adventist futurism"

Well, THAT's a cage-rattler, for sure. LOL! The hounds should be here soon; I'm listening for the sound of their baying.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Having been raised a dispensationalist, I was shocked when I got older and learned that system of theology was only 200 years old.

Adventist prophecy seems particularly obsessed with Catholicism, which even as a lapsed Catholic I see as truly bizarre.

Dispensationalist and Roman Catholic are not found in the same camp. So, just what were you?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

Dispensationalist and Roman Catholic are not found in the same camp. So, just what were you?

Good-Ole-Rebel

One, then the other.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy - opens in January 2002 on the campus of Liberty University
Lynchburg, V.A., Dr. Jerry Falwell - Chancellor. Tim LaHaye says he was impressed by the prophecy conferences of Albury Park and Powerscourt held in Britain in the 1820's and 1830's and this led directly to his co-founding the Pre-trib Research Center. Edward Irving and J. N. Darby attended, and apparently greatly influenced, these 19th century British prophecy conferences where the secret rapture and futurism gained in acceptance among Protestant prophecy scholars.

Is Tim LaHaye or Jerry Falwell Seventh Day Adventist's?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[sooda]

Is Tim LaHaye or Jerry Falwell Seventh Day Adventist's?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Both follow the Scofield heresy.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Both follow the Scofield heresy.

That wasn't the question. Is LaHaye or Falwell, or Scofield, since you now bring him into this, Seventh Day Adventist? Simple yes or no will do.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[sooda]

That wasn't the question. Is LaHaye or Falwell, or Scofield, since you now bring him into this, Seventh Day Adventist? Simple yes or no will do.

Good-Ole-Rebel

They all start with John Nelson Darby.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

They all start with John Nelson Darby.

You didn't answer the question. Was LaHaye, or Falwell, or Scofied, and now Darby, since you bring him into this, Seventh Day Adventist?

A simple yes or no will do.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Iymus]

A cautionary tale from an Adventist.

Excerpt:

There is among some Seventh-day Adventists an obsession with prophetic speculation. The present time of relative peace and waiting is disturbing to them, leading them to reinterpret apocalyptic prophecy along futurist lines.

In the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, they find predictions related to some of the contemporary nations of the Middle East and even identify prominent political and religious leaders as specific fulfillments of prophecy. In doing so they commit two errors about which church co-founder Ellen G. White has alerted us.

1. A misapplication of prophecy. By misapplying biblical prophecy they reach wrong conclusions. How does this happen? In her Manuscripts Release Volume 1, she explains: "Some will take the truth applicable to their time, and place it in the future. Events in the train of prophecy that had their fulfillment away in the past are made future, and thus by these theories the faith of some is undermined."

This statement rejects the introduction of futurism into Adventist prophetic interpretation, through the reapplication of prophecies, and suggests two points about those who would try to do so:

First, they have forgotten that the adversary is constantly at work on human minds. Therefore, Bible students should be wary of personal interpretations of prophecy. Second, they ignore the Lord's past leading of His people in the interpretation of prophecy. They detach themselves from the rest of the body of Christ by coming up with their own personal interpretation of biblical prophecies.

2. Emotional Excitement. A false sense of excitement will damage the image and message of the church.

There are some who, when studying not only prophecy but the Bible more generally, "have a burning desire to get out something new and strange to present to the flock of God," White wrote in a manuscript. 'The rebuke of God is upon all such teachers," she said.

CONTINUED

Problems with Adventist futurism

I read on external link and belive would have been nicer if specifics or an example had been given from the author. Unable to draw any conclusions.

 

[sooda]

I read on external link and belive would have been nicer if specifics or an example had been given from the author. Unable to draw any conclusions.

"The entire Left Behind scenario is built upon the concept of a nightmarish 'seven-year tribulation' supposedly predicted to follow a 'secret rapture,' or the vanishing of Christians worldwide.

The fact is there is no passage anywhere in the Bible that specifically mentions 'seven years of tribulation.' The entire concept is based on the speculative interpretation of one verse - Daniel 9:27."

Author and pastor Steve Wohlberg hopes his book will help Christians rightly understand the future. "In a sense, Left Behind is spiritual fast food," he said. "To build on the rock means to receive Christ and build deeply upon His words rather than simply accepted 'sand' or 'fluff.' When the storm hits, those who are fast food, junk-food Christians will be blown away. Those studying deeply the real word are getting the right diet. They're eating pure truth and building their characters so they'll be able to stand in the crisis and not be blown away."



History documents clearly the Protestant theological innovation
propounded by John Nelson Darby in the 1830's which swept traditional
Protestant historicist Biblical interpretation into near oblivion,
replacing it with an Israel centered theological fantasy which has
come to dominate especially American Protestantism.

The writings of J. N. Darby



J. N. Darby

The Rapture theory and the fiction series left behind by tim LaHaye challenged

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

"The entire Left Behind scenario is built upon the concept of a nightmarish 'seven-year tribulation' supposedly predicted to follow a 'secret rapture,' or the vanishing of Christians worldwide.

The fact is there is no passage anywhere in the Bible that specifically mentions 'seven years of tribulation.' The entire concept is based on the speculative interpretation of one verse - Daniel 9:27."

Author and pastor Steve Wohlberg hopes his book will help Christians rightly understand the future. "In a sense, Left Behind is spiritual fast food," he said. "To build on the rock means to receive Christ and build deeply upon His words rather than simply accepted 'sand' or 'fluff.' When the storm hits, those who are fast food, junk-food Christians will be blown away. Those studying deeply the real word are getting the right diet. They're eating pure truth and building their characters so they'll be able to stand in the crisis and not be blown away."



History documents clearly the Protestant theological innovation
propounded by John Nelson Darby in the 1830's which swept traditional
Protestant historicist Biblical interpretation into near oblivion,
replacing it with an Israel centered theological fantasy which has
come to dominate especially American Protestantism.

The writings of J. N. Darby



J. N. Darby

The Rapture theory and the fiction series left behind by tim LaHaye challenged

Was Darby, or LaHaye, or Scofield, or Falwell, Seventh Day Adventist's?

A simple yes or no will do.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Iymus]

"The entire Left Behind scenario is built upon the concept of a nightmarish 'seven-year tribulation' supposedly predicted to follow a 'secret rapture,' or the vanishing of Christians worldwide.

Did that doctrine originate with Seventh Day Adventists?

 

[sooda]

Did that doctrine originate with Seventh Day Adventists?

At the link the Adventist pastor rejects the seven year tribulation...

and continues

Darby's American disciple William Blackstone lobbied both Jewis Zionists and British politicians to directly implement the political reality of a Jewish State in Palestine demanded, presupposed, by
Darby's theology, with the ultimate goal of reconstituting the Jewish Temple and its services. In his political activism for the religious goals of dispensationalism, Blackstone is rivaled
only by today's Pat Robertson who engineered the political takeover of the Republican Party by the American (dispensationalist) Religious
Right in the early 1990's. It was this transformed (born again?) political machine which put Bush on the throne both times, truly changing the course of world history on a track to disaster.

Thus Darbyism, also known as Dispensationalism, created a true novelty in Christianity in the 1800's, of a "new Gospel", applicable to the Jews only, unveiling a unique new route to heaven, a special
new gate constructed by Dispensationalists exclusively for Jews, separate from salvation through the merits of the Christ of the New
Testament.

continued

The Rapture theory and the fiction series left behind by tim LaHaye challenged

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

More propaganda from @soda. LaHaye, Falwell, Scofield, and Darby are not Seventh Day Adventist's. They didn't get their doctrine from Ellen White. All this is an effort to present dispensationalism in a bad light by somehow linking it to Seventh Day Adventist's.

What this thread is really about is @soda's continual crusade of spreading disinformation concerning dispensationalism and it's supporters.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[sooda]

More propaganda from @soda. LaHaye, Falwell, Scofield, and Darby are not Seventh Day Adventist's. They didn't get their doctrine from Ellen White. All this is an effort to present dispensationalism in a bad light by somehow linking it to Seventh Day Adventist's.

What this thread is really about is @soda's continual crusade of spreading disinformation concerning dispensationalism and it's supporters.

Good-Ole-Rebel

LaHaye, Falwell, Scofield, and Darby are Dispensationalists.

Dispensationalism - TheocracyWatch
theocracywatch.org/christian_zionism_dispensationalism.htm
Dispensationalism is a system of theology that was first popularized by John Nelson Darby, 19th century British evangelist and forerunner of modern Christian fundamentalism.

Dispensationalism divides the entirety of history into seven dispensations , …