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Progressive Christianity

CDWolfe

Progressive Deist
Been gone for a while (focused on my studies/career/family), and have had some changes in my life. For starters, I have grown from a moderate to more of a progressive, with regard to theology and my views on religion.

I have always been a free thinker, and I never really clicked with my Southern Baptist upbringing. There were things that I questioned and felt blasphemous in doing so. I have always enjoyed studying theology, philosophy, and history, so it came as no surprise when I left my childhood church, and now, at the age of 38, I am "seeking" something that has been missing in my life.

I have made some posts here and there before, but I never really had a single direction that I was heading in. I dabbled with Judaism, Catholicism, and even Deism. I have yet to find a church that I feel comfortable with, but I have found a direction that REALLY calls to me: Progressive Christianity.

I am one that questions traditional teachings. I am one that wants to know WHY, and won't settle for copout answers like "it was meant to be," or "things happen for a reason." In my mind, those answers are a cover-up for "I don't know and can't really answer that."

I don't just read the Bible, I study it in-depth. I use multiple translations, research what the Hebrew and Greek actually say, and probably go overboard with being analytical. My biggest pet peeve is someone who uses a verse out of context.

Getting to the heart of my post...

I am not sure if this would be progressive, liberal, deistic, or whatnot, but here is how I think:

1. Satan is not the devil. Never was, never will be. He is merely a servant of God, following His orders and performing his assigned job. Besides, it is a title, not a name. Nor is his name Lucifer.

2. The rapture is not biblical. There is nothing in the Bible that even suggests it.

3. There is no immediate judgment upon death. You do not go to heaven or hell when you die. You go to the grave and will remain there until the Messiah returns, and the dead are raised and judged based on their deeds.

4. Bad things happen because people have free will, and someone makes a choice to do something bad.

5. God, while He may answer prayers, generally does not get involved with the day to day events on earth, as that would interfere with free will choices.

There are more, but I will stop there.

Thoughts?
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Been gone for a while (focused on my studies/career/family), and have had some changes in my life. For starters, I have grown from a moderate to more of a progressive, with regard to theology and my views on religion.

I have always been a free thinker, and I never really clicked with my Southern Baptist upbringing. There were things that I questioned and felt blasphemous in doing so. I have always enjoyed studying theology, philosophy, and history, so it came as no surprise when I left my childhood church, and now, at the age of 38, I am "seeking" something that has been missing in my life.

I have made some posts here and there before, but I never really had a single direction that I was heading in. I dabbled with Judaism, Catholicism, and even Deism. I have yet to find a church that I feel comfortable with, but I have found a direction that REALLY calls to me: Progressive Christianity.

I am one that questions traditional teachings. I am one that wants to know WHY, and won't settle for copout answers like "it was meant to be," or "things happen for a reason." In my mind, those answers are a cover-up for "I don't know and can't really answer that."
I really don't like it when people aren't educated about Christian teachings enough to offer a rational, Biblical, Traditional support. Being unable to explain and defend Christian teaching really weakens our validity in the eyes of seekers and critics, and can also be disconcerting to us Christians.

I don't just read the Bible, I study it in-depth. I use multiple translations, research what the Hebrew and Greek actually say, and probably go overboard with being analytical.
Knowledge is power. :D

My biggest pet peeve is someone who uses a verse out of context.
Amen to that!

1. Satan is not the devil. Never was, never will be. He is merely a servant of God, following His orders and performing his assigned job. Besides, it is a title, not a name. Nor is his name Lucifer.
A very Jewish understanding of the matter.

2. The rapture is not biblical. There is nothing in the Bible that even suggests it.
You're in good company among the Catholics and Orthodox here. :)

3. There is no immediate judgment upon death. You do not go to heaven or hell when you die. You go to the grave and will remain there until the Messiah returns, and the dead are raised and judged based on their deeds.
Depending on what you understand "the grave" to be, this is correct. Have you looked up the concept of Hades within Christianity?

4. Bad things happen because people have free will, and someone makes a choice to do something bad.
Correct, to an extent.

5. God, while He may answer prayers, generally does not get involved with the day to day events on earth, as that would interfere with free will choices.
I'm not sure how God being involved with His creation interferes with free will choices? Could you elaborate more on this?
 

CDWolfe

Progressive Deist
I'm not sure how God being involved with His creation interferes with free will choices? Could you elaborate more on this?

I am a FIRM believer in free will, especially since I am somewhat of a deist. Our choices are not governed or influenced by any outside force. God does not interfere/intervene with any choice that a human makes, as that would break the rule of free will.

For example:

1. A soldier prays for protection, and asks to make it home safely. He/she gets killed in combat anyway. The person who killed them made a CHOICE to pull the trigger, plant a mine/bomb, stab them, hack them with an axe, shoot them with an arrow, etc. Although God heard the prayer, He did not answer it because free will means non-intervention on either side.

2. Your child is born with a defect or disease. You pray for healing, a miracle, etc. but it does not happen. Unknown to you is that one of your ancestors did something that tainted your bloodline (incest, drugs, etc), and there is a gene within your DNA that can pop up and cause abnormalities. Their CHOICE echoes through the ages.

Hope those examples help to explain how I think.

Can God shape and mold the world around us? Sure, as long as there is no interference with free will. Ultimately I think we were given free will as a gift, with the hopes that we will make our own choice to follow God. How boring would life be if everyone was a pre-programmed automaton!
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
I am a FIRM believer in free will, especially since I am somewhat of a deist. Our choices are not governed or influenced by any outside force. God does not interfere/intervene with any choice that a human makes, as that would break the rule of free will.

For example:

1. A soldier prays for protection, and asks to make it home safely. He/she gets killed in combat anyway. The person who killed them made a CHOICE to pull the trigger, plant a mine/bomb, stab them, hack them with an axe, shoot them with an arrow, etc. Although God heard the prayer, He did not answer it because free will means non-intervention on either side.

2. Your child is born with a defect or disease. You pray for healing, a miracle, etc. but it does not happen. Unknown to you is that one of your ancestors did something that tainted your bloodline (incest, drugs, etc), and there is a gene within your DNA that can pop up and cause abnormalities. Their CHOICE echoes through the ages.

Hope those examples help to explain how I think.

Can God shape and mold the world around us? Sure, as long as there is no interference with free will. Ultimately I think we were given free will as a gift, with the hopes that we will make our own choice to follow God. How boring would life be if everyone was a pre-programmed automaton!

I agree with most of your theology but I believe God does, at times, suspend free will in order to fulfill His divine will:

Isa 63:17 O LORD, why have You made us stray from Your ways, And hardened our heart from Your fear? Return for Your servants' sake, The tribes of Your inheritance.

Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

Rev 17:17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

 
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