Pronouncing God in Other Languages

[URAVIP2ME]

"lord," which leads into all those other titles applied to deity that are not really names...

Good point ^ above ^ because to me both Lord and God are titles and are Not personal names.
For example: JKV at Psalms 110 mentions two (2) LORD/Lord's.
The LORD in all upper-case letters stands for the LORD God ( Tetragrammaton YHWH)
Whereas, the Lord in some lower-case letters stands for the Lord Jesus ( without the Tetragrammaton )

 

[Kemosloby]

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Islam is one of three Abrahamic religions. The other two are Judaism and Christianity. All three trace roots back to "Father Abraham." All three believe in the same God.

No, they don't. They think they do but they don't. Unless you think Abraham is God?

Jews tried that but Jesus said "I can raise up stones to the seed of Abraham"

 

[Kemosloby]

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Islam is one of three Abrahamic religions. The other two are Judaism and Christianity. All three trace roots back to "Father Abraham." All three believe in the same God.

Some "Christians" might worship the same god. Lets say a person of any race or language or religion, looks out at the vastness of space and the rest of creation and says "Allah akbar ya ya ya" , They worship creation. But if a person looks at Jesus and his Good works and says "praise God ya ya ya" then he worships God the Father, because the only way we know God the Father is, by the example the Son. Helping the poor and needy, etc etc.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Some "Christians" might worship the same god. Lets say a person of any race or language or religion, looks out at the vastness of space and the rest of creation and says "Allah akbar ya ya ya" , They worship creation. But if a person looks at Jesus and his Good works and says "praise God ya ya ya" then he worships God the Father, because the only way we know God the Father is, by the example the Son. Helping the poor and needy, etc etc.

If a Muslim was christian and refered to the Father as Allah, the son as Jesus, and the holy spirit as, well the holy spirit, how is he wrong?

And where does jesus call god by name?

I AM. Lord. Father. Are not names. God is a title. It is it a name. Pagans use it as the same as christians and hindu.

If someone doesnt use the title "god" are they following christ as a christian?

 

[Kemosloby]

If a Muslim was christian and refered to the Father as Allah, the son as Jesus, and the holy spirit as, well the holy spirit, how is he wrong?

And where does jesus call god by name?

I AM. Lord. Father. Are not names. God is a title. It is it a name. Pagans use it as the same as christians and hindu.

If someone doesnt use the title "god" are they following christ as a christian?

Ya, I was wrong. I immediately think they are Muslims when they say Allah.

 

[Watchmen]

They do not know God though, so when they praise God it is the same as blasphemy. From a Christian perspective "If they do not know the Son, they do not know the Father", So scripturally one might be justified in what we perceive naturally, When they say "Allah be Praised", we know they don't know what the heck they're talking about.

Or, maybe you don't know what the heck you're talking about.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ya, I was wrong. I immediately think they are Muslims when they say Allah.

Thank you. I think you meant those who are practicing Islam beliefs (I dont know if Muslim is the religious title or nationality) who says Allah is not following the christian god.

Which is different if a muslim were christian and used his language to refer to god it wouldnt be a problem.

Its about concepts and meaning. Like if someone says father to a human and father to god in two separate sentences, based on context you can tell the former is referring to an elder in the Church (title) and the other to the creator.

So its reading between the lines. Sorry for extra typos. Ad is blinding half my screen.

 

[Quintessence]

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[Glaurung]

This is not a debate, just a general discussion. Far too often I see people getting upset when a Muslim says "Allah," and I am left wondering why. Allah is merely the Arabic word for God. If they say "Allah be praised," they are saying "God be praised," which is a good thing!

No one rejects Muslim claims to the Abrahamic deity on the basis of an Arabic word, but on what is claimed about that deity by Islam. If the claimed nature of Allah within the Islamic tradition is incompatible with the nature of God as claimed by Christianity, then is it really the same deity?

It is meaningless for a Christian to entertain the claims of Islam regarding the identity of Allah, since it is not Christianity which makes the claim about the identity of Allah as claimed by Islam.

 

[Sakeenah]

Muslim is a religious title, it refers to a follower of Islam.Muslim is not a nationality.
Arab christians use the word Allah and this word is used in arabic bibles.

The term Allah (Arabic: الله,)is the standard Arabic word for God and is most likely derived from al- and ilah which means "deity or god" to allah meaning "the sole deity, God."
The first-known translation of the Bible into Arabic, took place in the 9th century, uses the word Allah for God
So I don't understand why a christian would be offended by the word Allah.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Ya, I was wrong. I immediately think they are Muslims when they say Allah.

Muslims outnumber Arab Christians to the extent that it's a pretty understandable mistake to make. I think it's an assumption most people would make as well.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Muslim is a religious title, it refers to a follower of Islam.Muslim is not a nationality.
Arab christians use the word Allah and this word is used in arabic bibles.

The term Allah (Arabic: الله,)is the standard Arabic word for God and is most likely derived from al- and ilah which means "deity or god" to allah meaning "the sole deity, God."
The first-known translation of the Bible into Arabic, took place in the 9th century, uses the word Allah for God
So I don't understand why a christian would be offended by the word Allah.

The only thing I can think of is because Allah in Islamic faith has different attributes than God of the christian faith. So, it would be like using Allah but referring it to a Pagan god instead of Allah of the Islamic faith.

It's about context not language. If I believe in Thor and called Thor Allah, as Thor is a god, that would be technically correct. Thor is a deity. However, Thor, Allah, and God have different characteristics. So, it would be an insult to use the word Allah where the word isn't meant for European Pagan religions but the religion of Islam.

 

[idav]

The only thing I can think of is because Allah in Islamic faith has different attributes than God of the christian faith. So, it would be like using Allah but referring it to a Pagan god instead of Allah of the Islamic faith.

It's about context not language. If I believe in Thor and called Thor Allah, as Thor is a god, that would be technically correct. Thor is a deity. However, Thor, Allah, and God have different characteristics. So, it would be an insult to use the word Allah where the word isn't meant for European Pagan religions but the religion of Islam.

Really its only a problem for people or groups who wish to claim exclusive connection with the "one and only" god. I doubt god is really interested in whether people get certain attributes correct, "attributes of god" seem rather man-made any how. When someone claims god is the creator of the universe then that is pretty specific that can definitely cover multiple religions even if they add restrictions like "god can't' have a son" or "god has to be his son" or whatever some specific religion claims.