Proof Against Evolution

[Jerrell]

I took a portion of my time in life and devoted it to studying evolution, i like to wiegh propabilities, look at the odds, and see if it is possible in any case.

My beleif- The Theory of Evolution is False, although some creatures do change over time, but not in a evolutionary way.

I was standing outside by my house and i saw a tree. Where does a tree come from? From a seed? and the seed comes from a tree? Which came first? What is the chance that the tree just happened to have roots, that happened to know how to obsorbed water, and the tree happened to have a trunk, which happened to know how to transfer water to the leaves, and it just happened to have leaves, that knew how to obsorbed light from the sun, and it just happened to know how to store it, and so on, and so on.

To beleive in evolution is to believe that almost everything "just happened." Evolution cannot explain the begining. At what point did something exist? Did all things come from that same Big Bang point? What chance was there that life would arise out of all of this?

 

[michel]

I took a portion of my time in life and devoted it to studying evolution, i like to wiegh propabilities, look at the odds, and see if it is possible in any case.

My beleif- The Theory of Evolution is False, although some creatures do change over time, but not in a evolutionary way.

I was standing outside by my house and i saw a tree. Where does a tree come from? From a seed? and the seed comes from a tree? Which came first? What is the chance that the tree just happened to have roots, that happened to know how to obsorbed water, and the tree happened to have a trunk, which happened to know how to transfer water to the leaves, and it just happened to have leaves, that knew how to obsorbed light from the sun, and it just happened to know how to store it, and so on, and so on.

To beleive in evolution is to believe that almost everything "just happened." Evolution cannot explain the begining. At what point did something exist? Did all things come from that same Big Bang point? What chance was there that life would arise out of all of this?

You cannot prove that evolution doesn't exist because there is no explanation for the beginning......it doesn't work that way.

I personally agree with you (in that there is a God, and that we will never be able to mimic the creation of life...that divine spark which can only come from God) , but I believe in evolution...there is too much evidence for it.

But I don't see that accepting Evolution is a 'slight' agaisnt God; don't you agree?

 

[Real Sorceror]

I took a portion of my time in life and devoted it to studying evolution, i like to wiegh propabilities, look at the odds, and see if it is possible in any case.

Good.

My beleif- The Theory of Evolution is False, although some creatures do change over time, but not in a evolutionary way.

Bad.

I was standing outside by my house and i saw a tree. Where does a tree come from? From a seed? and the seed comes from a tree? Which came first? What is the chance that the tree just happened to have roots, that happened to know how to obsorbed water, and the tree happened to have a trunk, which happened to know how to transfer water to the leaves, and it just happened to have leaves, that knew how to obsorbed light from the sun, and it just happened to know how to store it, and so on, and so on.

I often tell people in your situation to not look at the finnished product. It is much easier to understand the tree if you look at it from the beginning and track it's progression. Start with a single-celled plant-like organism. This organism eventually develops into phytoplankton and algae. Algae eventually evolves into a low-lying land plant, which evolves into a soft stemmed leafy plant, and then into a hard stemmed leafy plant. Sorry that I can't go into more detail, my education is in animal evolution.

To beleive in evolution is to believe that almost everything "just happened."

Evolution is reactionary. It is a survival mechanism. Things change to survive in their environment.

Evolution cannot explain the begining.

Evolution is only meant to explain the diversity of life. It often gets lumped together with other theories.

At what point did something exist? Did all things come from that same Big Bang point? What chance was there that life would arise out of all of this?

Alas, I don't know the answers to those questions. I believe that God had something to do with it though.

 

[kateyes]

I heard a really good joke about this the other day.

A panel of Scientists asked for an audience with God.
On the appointed day and time God appeared to them and asked what they wanted.
The panel leader said--"Well God we just wanted to let you know you are now redundant--we have been able to create life from a ball of mud. We therefore feel you have not further purpose in the Universe." God thought a moment--and said "Well that is quite a feat as I am sure you know--Why don't you show me how you did this!"
The scientists conferred for a few moments and agreed it was the least they could do.
The chairman of the group led them all outside--near a garden area he reached down and grabbed a handful of dirt--God immediately interjected, "Ah Ah--get your own mud!"

 

[JerryL]

"If you want to make an apple pie from scratch: you have to start by making the universe"

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I often tell people in your situation to not look at the finnished product.

When did the Finns patent their own evolutionary product?

It is much easier to understand the tree if you look at it from the beginning and track it's progression. Start with a single-celled plant-like organism. This organism eventually develops into phytoplankton and algae. Algae eventually evolves into a low-lying land plant, which evolves into a soft stemmed leafy plant, and then into a hard stemmed leafy plant. Sorry that I can't go into more detail, my education is in animal evolution.

It would be interesting to count (or estimate) the individual changes involved in getting from the beginning to now, including all the species, and calculate how often a change had to happen to get to where we are. I wonder if there has been enough time.

 

[Halcyon]

I took a portion of my time in life and devoted it to studying evolution, i like to wiegh propabilities, look at the odds, and see if it is possible in any case.

I was standing outside by my house and i saw a tree. Where does a tree come from? From a seed? and the seed comes from a tree? Which came first? What is the chance that the tree just happened to have roots, that happened to know how to obsorbed water, and the tree happened to have a trunk, which happened to know how to transfer water to the leaves, and it just happened to have leaves, that knew how to obsorbed light from the sun, and it just happened to know how to store it, and so on, and so on.

These two paragraphs contradict one another.

If you had devoted any real time at all into the study of evolution, you would not have spouted such a naive load of drivel as appears in the second paragraph i selected.​

 

[Real Sorceror]

When did the Finns patent their own evolutionary product?

You didn't know? Its all the rage right now. Get with the times!

It would be interesting to count (or estimate) the individual changes involved in getting from the beginning to now, including all the species, and calculate how often a change had to happen to get to where we are. I wonder if there has been enough time.

Theres obviously been enough time, or else the species wouldn't exist. The number of changes is probably some ungodly huge number that would be horrifically difficult to calculate or even estimate with any accuracy.

 

[spacemonkey]

If you don't believe in evolution, how do you explain all of the differances in mankind? If we were "created in God's image" wouldn't we all look the same (at least similar)?

 

[Real Sorceror]

If you don't believe in evolution, how do you explain all of the differances in mankind? If we were "created in God's image" wouldn't we all look the same (at least similar)?

It depends on how you interpret "in God's image". Some believe that it refers to a mental similairity rather than a physical one, or vice versa, or both.

 

[Ody]

I took a portion of my time in life and devoted it to studying evolution, i like to wiegh propabilities, look at the odds, and see if it is possible in any case.

My beleif- The Theory of Evolution is False, although some creatures do change over time, but not in a evolutionary way.

I was standing outside by my house and i saw a tree. Where does a tree come from? From a seed? and the seed comes from a tree? Which came first? What is the chance that the tree just happened to have roots, that happened to know how to obsorbed water, and the tree happened to have a trunk, which happened to know how to transfer water to the leaves, and it just happened to have leaves, that knew how to obsorbed light from the sun, and it just happened to know how to store it, and so on, and so on.

To beleive in evolution is to believe that almost everything "just happened." Evolution cannot explain the begining. At what point did something exist? Did all things come from that same Big Bang point? What chance was there that life would arise out of all of this?

Whats the chance of a G-d in the first place that has always been?

 

[Real Sorceror]

Whats the chance of a G-d in the first place that has always been?

About the same as there being no God or a God who is not eternal or multiple gods.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

You didn't know? Its all the rage right now. Get with the times!.

Does this mean I have to get a life?

Theres obviously been enough time, or else the species wouldn't exist. The number of changes is probably some ungodly huge number that would be horrifically difficult to calculate or even estimate with any accuracy.

First your assuming evolution is the means of widespread speciation. Yet if the number is some ungodly number then perhaps there has not been enough time to allow for it. If the frequency is a manageble number then there is also the possibility that we would see more evidence of futher speciation.

 

[Real Sorceror]

Does this mean I have to get a life?

No, I was just trying to be clever, but if you don't have a life, I'd highly suggest getting one.

First your assuming evolution is the means of widespread speciation. Yet if the number is some ungodly number then perhaps there has not been enough time to allow for it. If the frequency is a manageble number then there is also the possibility that we would see more evidence of futher speciation.

I see.

 

[logician]

"Evolution cannot explain the begining"

Evolution only explains the change of life thru time. AS an atheist, I believe the multiverse has always existed, so no need for a creator god, or any other god for that matter. Gods are made in man's image, for man's purposes.

 

[Majikthise]

Religion is hung up on finding the begining because it already believes it can see the end.

 

[Smoke]

To beleive in evolution is to believe that almost everything "just happened."

It's amazing how many Creationists believe that. It's utter nonsense. Evolution doesn't mean that everything "just happened;" it means the opposite of that. Of the unimaginably vast number of possible species that might have existed, only a tiny minority have ever actually existed; of those, only a minority are living now. The rise and fall of each species has been the result of a very long series of specific events. When Creationists say -- as they often do -- that evolution means everything "just happened," they betray the fact that they don't know anything at all about evolution. What evolution does mean, in simplified form, is this:

1. In populations of living organisms, changes occur over time.
2. The characteristics that conduce to survival and the propagation of genes, conduce to survival and propagation of genes.

The first is apparent to any rational observer; the second is a tautology.

The reason Creationists have resorted to political pressure to advance their views is that they don't have a leg to stand on, scientifically. They must depend on stirring up the most ignorant portion of the electorate to support policies that perpetuate ignorance; the denial of evolution really has no other chance of survival.

Evolution cannot explain the begining. At what point did something exist?

Creationists can't explain the beginning, either. How is it that God exists? Wherein are the origins of God to be found?

 

[joeboonda]

I study the creation and see a creator, and a young earth. Others see billions of years and life from nothing and the big bang and evolution and no God. I know we don't know the tiniest percent of all there is to know in the universe, so no one can be absolutely certain there is no God, we are too limited in our knowledge to know.

I do know I like cars. The sleek shiny body, the design, the windshield with the wipers,and cleaning fluid, reminds me of me. Except for the nice body, lol, I have wondrous design, they say my or at least some folks brains work tremendously well, but I like my blue eyes. I like their complexity, and there 'wipers', and even the windshield solution to shoot in them in case a bug hits them. I see great intelligent design in a nice automobile, and I see that in me, and in all creation. But that's just me, I enjoy having the hope that God loves me, died for me, and gave me eternal life for free. I guess if I'm wrong, no biggie, I have had a very nice life.

 

[Smoke]

I do know I like cars. The sleek shiny body, the design, the windshield with the wipers,and cleaning fluid, reminds me of me. Except for the nice body, lol, I have wondrous design, they say my or at least some folks brains work tremendously well, but I like my blue eyes. I like their complexity, and there 'wipers', and even the windshield solution to shoot in them in case a bug hits them. I see great intelligent design in a nice automobile, and I see that in me, and in all creation.

But you don't see in cars, as you do in living organisms, a nested hierarchy of species. You don't see living genetic material passing from one model of car from another.

When you perceive intelligent design in living organisms, what does that mean? Was the child born with a cleft palate designed that way by God? The child with cystic fibrosis? If not, doesn't that mean that natural processes are at work? If so, isn't it a sin to interfere to change God's design? Did God design stupid, violent, and sinful people to be stupid, violent and sinful?

But that's just me, I enjoy having the hope that God loves me, died for me, and gave me eternal life for free. I guess if I'm wrong, no biggie, I have had a very nice life.

That's fine, if that's what's important to you. There are other people to whom truth and understanding, however incomplete and fleeting, are important.

 

[kai]

I study the creation and see a creator, and a young earth. Others see billions of years and life from nothing and the big bang and evolution and no God. I know we don't know the tiniest percent of all there is to know in the universe, so no one can be absolutely certain there is no God, we are too limited in our knowledge to know.

I do know I like cars. The sleek shiny body, the design, the windshield with the wipers,and cleaning fluid, reminds me of me. Except for the nice body, lol, I have wondrous design, they say my or at least some folks brains work tremendously well, but I like my blue eyes. I like their complexity, and there 'wipers', and even the windshield solution to shoot in them in case a bug hits them. I see great intelligent design in a nice automobile, and I see that in me, and in all creation. But that's just me, I enjoy having the hope that God loves me, died for me, and gave me eternal life for free. I guess if I'm wrong, no biggie, I have had a very nice life.

and you can see the evolution of your car model by model over the years to what it is today