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proof of GOD

zenzero

Its only a Label
A true story; Don't miss even a single word.... It's Too good

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on
the problem science has with God, The Almighty.
He asks one of his new students to stand and......

Prof:
So you believe in God?

Student:
Absolutely, sir.

Prof
Is God good?

Student:
Sure.

Prof:
Is God all-powerful?

Student
: Yes..

Prof:
My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to
heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But
God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)

Prof:
You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella.
Is God good?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
Is Satan good?

Student
No.

Prof:
Where does Satan come from?

Student:
From....God...

Prof:
That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)

Prof:
Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student:
Yes, sir.

Prof:
So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)

Prof:
Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and
observe the world around you.
Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student:
No, sir.

Prof:
Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student:
No, sir.

Prof:
Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your
God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for
that matter?

Student:
No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof:
Yet you still believe in Him?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your GOD doesn't exist.
What do you say to that, son?

Student:
Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof:
Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student:
Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof:
Yes.

Student:
And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof:
Yes.

Student:
No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of
events.)

Student
Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no
heat..
But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458
degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't
go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use
to describe the absence of heat
We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it .
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student:
What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?

Prof:
Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student :
You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright
light, flashing light.....But if you have no light
constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't
it? In
reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to
make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof:
So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student:
Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof:
Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student:
Sir, you are working on the premise of duality.. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad
God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,
something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a
thought.. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never
seen, much less fully understood either one.To view death as
the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that
death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is
not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor.Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?

Prof:
If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process,
yes, of course, I do.

Student:
Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to
realize where the argument is going.)

Student:
Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you
not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

Student:
Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student
Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have
done so. So, according to the established rules of
empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that
you have no brain,sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your
lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student,
his face unfathomable.)

Prof:
I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student:
That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH .
That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

NB: I believe you have enjoyed the conversation....and if
so...you'll probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy
the same...won't you?....
this is a true story, and the

student was none other than .......
.. APJ Abdul Kalam, the former President of India.
 

McBell

Admiral Obvious
A true story; Don't miss even a single word.... It's Too good

...

student was none other than .......
.. APJ Abdul Kalam, the former President of India.
I wonder who the student of this "true story" will be next month.

Perhaps we could have a poll.......
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
I've usually hear it as being about Einstein. The logic of the story is so hideously flawed I don't see how anyone can take it seriously.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Evelyonian,

I've usually hear it as being about Einstein. The logic of the story is so hideously flawed I don't see how anyone can take it seriously.

Well, its a story and people just put lables so that it gets read.
However if it is a theist story the atheist in you must be able to bring out the flaws in the story and not just let go with a comment.

Look forward to your critical examination of the story!

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Mestemia,

I wonder who the student of this "true story" will be next month.
You missed the point.
Its not about the characters of the story BUT the THEIST view!

Love & rgds
 

McBell

Admiral Obvious
Friend Mestemia,


You missed the point.
Its not about the characters of the story BUT the THEIST view!

Love & rgds
Hmmmm.
The way you presented it I have to disagree.

What was over fonted and colored?
If that was not the point, why bring so much attention to it?
 

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
Friend Zenzero! ( smiling)
Fear is just the absence of Faith that controls our awareness. Some people put a cap on faith to not allow it past what the five senses can see, others lean further and let it dictate their direction and can overcome mountains and obstacles that otherwise seem impossible.
If there was no God, where would be the cap for faith opening up awareness?
Also what would be the extent of how far awareness could open?
 
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zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Mestemia,

Hmmmm.
The way you presented it I have to disagree.

What was over fonted and colored?
If that was not the point, why bring so much attention to it?

Have you seen frames of pictures that people hang in their houses? The frames are meant to create that gestalt the background to the picture.
Duality is always there, BUT the mind picks up what it desires. Your mind desires the frame and so stuck with it.
Thats fine, once we accept it then we become AWARE of the MIND's trap and this AWARENESS is what life is all about!

Love & rgds
 

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Well, if the student wanted to see the professor's brain, all he has to do is take an MRI scan of his head. Or cut open his head. Further, evolution is observable. It takes a long time to observe it in one's lifetime. But an example of fast observable evolution is the peppered moth.

I don't get the part about duality. What is his point?
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend walkntune,

Fear is just the absence of Faith that controls our awareness. Some people put a cap on faith to not allow it past what the five senses can see, others lean further and let it dictate their direction and can overcome mountains and obstacles that otherwise seem impossible.
If there was no God, where would be the cap for faith opening up awareness?
Also what would be the extent of how far awareness could open?

First of all *FAITH* is again a MIND matter. One is trying to convince his own mind that have *FAITH* as there is god.
Reality is that there is nothing as god as it is only a concept that humans developed for an understanding.
Each and every form is part of that *WHOLE* which is labelled *god* so where is the separation between the WHOLE and the individual forms?? If there are none then who needs to have that *faith*??

Rgds the extent of *AWARENESS*; well the extent is till the perceiver of that AWARENESS remains is the limit.

Love & rgds
 

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
Friend walkntune,



First of all *FAITH* is again a MIND matter. One is trying to convince his own mind that have *FAITH* as there is god.
Reality is that there is nothing as god as it is only a concept that humans developed for an understanding.
Each and every form is part of that *WHOLE* which is labelled *god* so where is the separation between the WHOLE and the individual forms?? If there are none then who needs to have that *faith*??

Rgds the extent of *AWARENESS*; well the extent is till the perceiver of that AWARENESS remains is the limit.

Love & rgds

For me this love that awareness opens up too bypasses all thought and not found in the mind but the heart.Being in connection of this Whole you speak of which is not just humans but all energy matter is a real perfect love whether you call it God or not?
The mind does nothing more but get in the way and causes separation.
 

McBell

Admiral Obvious
Have you seen frames of pictures that people hang in their houses? The frames are meant to create that gestalt the background to the picture.
Duality is always there, BUT the mind picks up what it desires. Your mind desires the frame and so stuck with it.
Thats fine, once we accept it then we become AWARE of the MIND's trap and this AWARENESS is what life is all about!

Love & rgds
I am not looking at a picture in a frame.
I am looking at words on a page.

You make many assumptions based upon your prejudices.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Mestemia,

I am not looking at a picture in a frame.
I am looking at words on a page
.

Missed again.
Your mind is still looking at the frame; the words used are frames for the message in it.
Light dispels darkness!

Love & rgds
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Everything about it is too stupid and nonsensical to require response. It's not true. Professors of philosophy do not lecture their students to be atheists, and philosophers don't teach Biology. Everything out of the fake "student's" mouth is false--evolution is a well-supported scientific theory that needs to be taught in Biology courses. Finally, evil is not just the absence of good, unfortunately. When a serial child rapist and murderer first rapes, then murders a little girl, there's a lot more than absence of good going on there, and only a moron who could be duped by weak sophistry would be persuaded there was not. Suffering exists, an all-powerful God could prevent it, and calling it "absence of good" insults those who suffer.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I guess my main point is this: It's easy to win the argument when you play both sides. A little harder when the other side gets to actually present their argument.
 
The logic of used in the OP is quite fallacious, but the main failing point is that even if we did somehow require blind faith to maintain day to day affairs, which I have yet to see a convincing case for, that still would not imply a creator deity. The thing about faith is you can have faith in literally anything. All you need is two people with faith in mutually exclusive ideas and your case is invalidated. Faith is not epistemology.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
God, Atheism, and faith ??? :confused:
All I see here is contrast. You have to know properties and how they interact in order to identify and make comparisons like heat and cold, light and darkness ect.
Things like God and faith are not even close in having such identified properties in the least. Not much less in the same manner as other comparisons are made in the story. It's absolutely flawed, and not even close in making any kind of valid point for theism.

Your mind is still looking at the frame; the words used are frames for the message in it.
Light dispels darkness!

Love & rgds -ZenZero-

Sorry good friend zenzero. Mestemia is 100% correct in stating that he's looking at words on a page (or screen). The meaning derived from the words are symbolic and assigned. The frame part I get, and does make sense in the manner that it causes an image to form in the mind. Dunno how light dispelling darkness can be compared to it though.
 
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