Proof of Jesus...

[outhouse]

Evidence proving the existence of Jesus the man would not change anything for me, nor would i imagine for many others. The values he stood for in his teachings and way of life stand independently and hold weight as ideas in and of themselves regardless of evidence for the existence for the man who preached them.
Of course if evidence emerged proving the literal miracles performed, well of course my scientific outlook would be somewhat modified!

Alex

Good point

if I follow, the words and philosophy are here now. How or why that came to be would not change much.

people still buy the concept

 

[Marcel]

Evidence proving the existence of Jesus the man would not change anything for me, nor would i imagine for many others. Alex

I understand. As you can read my post before - My work do not attempt to change anything for the people - belief is a sacred personal thing - very respectable.
But still, I feel myself different since I have written my thesis. What it changed ? My point of view on the critics again Christians. It was easy to tell me : "Oh you believe in a man who never existed - otherwise it would have been quoted in other books ... bla,bla..." - Now I could give them something to chew.

The values he stood for in his teachings and way of life stand independently and hold weight as ideas in and of themselves regardless of evidence for the existence for the man who preached them.
Alex

I agree absolutely.

Of course if evidence emerged proving the literal miracles performed, well of course my scientific outlook would be somewhat modified!
Alex

My work has nothing to say about the miracles.

 

[ellenjanuary]

( Thank you Storm- for your help)

Well,

Now that I know that you are not very interested in a “proof” in Jesus. And I think mainly because it is accepted that there is no such a thing.
I can tell you why I was asking…
Since 2007, as a hermit here in Mexico without Internet ( I have Internet since 2 weeks ) - I was working on such a proof. I have found something incredible !!!! Last week I have made an international copyright on my thesis.
Since I have Internet I have performed many researches on Internet – I’m horrified, they are hundreds of fakes out there.
My work is a scientific proof on a chapter of the Bible. It is based on Planetology, Observation, Gospels and … sorry Mathematics. It is once again a demonstration! After reading my work anybody can do it for himself.
It is NOT AT ALL shocking for anybody… Nobody can be hurt by a mathematical demonstration. I was thinking that it would be accepted easily, by everybody – believers – atheist – Jewish – Muslims (Jesus is a prophet for them) etc, etc
Amazingly for me and as you wrote: Nobody seems to be interested. Beside a Doctor in theology in France, but he cannot help me really much.
From another hand my sister told me to write a book – But I was working very hard on my thesis and I need holiday more than work on book right now.
What do you think?

As a journeyman prophet, lemme give you a piece of advice - harden your heart.

 

[Marcel]

As a journeyman prophet, lemme give you a piece of advice - harden your heart.

Sorry, can you explain ?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

The first thing that I would do is get drunk.

I would get drunk even if they didn't find scientific proof for Jesus.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

"Iesuah" was areally a common name.
But a sientific proof is not valuable?
It does NOT matter if he had existed or not. Such a proof would be value=0 ?

I'm saying that I don't find anything remarkable about a guy named Jesus being born in Bethlehem.

I assume that hundreds of guys named Jesus have been born in Bethlehem.

In other words: What do we know about this particular guy named Jesus -- whose existence gets proved scientifically?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Sorry, can you explain ?

I think she might mean that you should not be distressed about the reactions you get here in this place. Take us all with a grain of salt.

 

[Oneatatime]

Personally I would be skeptical of any evidence put forward to support the existance of the mythological like Jesus or King Arthur. If you want to find evidence you're bound to find some artefact or writings which can be interpreted in a manner which supports your claims.

The reality of important historical figures are usually glossed over to make them appear nicer and more suitable figures of veneration. The story of Jesus and the reality of who contributed to this story are likely very different.

 

[CaptainBritain]

I believe Jesus was as real as Charles Manson in every aspect.

 

[Marcel]

Hi,

here is the link to my new thesis :
jesus-the-proof dot com

(French and English)

Friendly
Marcel

 

[ellenjanuary]

Hi,

here is the link to my new thesis :
jesus-the-proof dot com

(French and English)

Friendly
Marcel

Mathematical theorems are self-evident, evidence and repeatability are properties of scientific theory; so you lied. I read eleven pages which end by saying, but this is not the proof; pay now to read more, so you have a scam. That's 0-2. Good luck with that.

 

[ninerbuff]

Hi,

As I’m new on your forum; I would like to introduce myself:

My name is Marcel, I live in Mexico with my wife and 4 dogs - I am 53 years old - computer engineer – retired.

Since, a long time, I’m interested in religion. - And I would like to ask you a personal question:

For you, what would be the “value” of a proof that Jesus really existed as man?

Let me add some words.

If such proof would be discovered - a scientific proof – irrefutable! … I don’t mean those thousands of fakes in Internet. No a real one – that HE really existed.

• Would it change something in your belief / or not belief?
• Would you see it as an attack on your convictions?
• Would you pay for such a proof?
• Would you buy a book about it?
• Would you simply ignore such a proof?

Please describe your feeling about it.

Thank you
Marcel.

No. He may/may not lived, but the storyline of him being a son of a deity and "miracles" rivals that of others from mythology.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I read eleven pages which end by saying, but this is not the proof; pay now to read more....

Ouch. Did it really say that?

I'm lucky I have no math, I guess. It would be a waste of money for me.

 

[Mudcat]

Please describe your feeling about it.

Hi Marcel,

I am a Christian myself. If there were irrefutable proof of Christ, I don't know what I would think.

I suppose I have thought that there must be choice in the matter of determining belief in Christ. Somehow I think our choice to believe must be just that.. "a choice" and if that is the case, then irrefutable proof that Christ is resurrected, the Son of God and so forth would seem to negate such a choice.

IMO, the irrefutable proof that Christ is who he claims to be will come at the end of things. If it comes earlier, as you OP seems to posit, I would think it should have been available to all from the beginning.

Regards,

Mudcat

 

[A4B4]

I had always considered Tacitus' book Annals as "proof" that Jesus was at least a man. Unlike the writings of Josephus, Tacitus writes negatively of Jesus, calling him superstitious, etc. He talks about riots and such ensuing throughout Judea and Rome following Jesus' execution.

You can read it the Wikipedia page: Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a short passage, so I just assumed the Church would have overlooked it when editing other historical records of the time. And, to be best of my knowledge, most scholars consider the passage to be authentic.

Tacitus is considered one of the most trustworthy historians of the time, although he wasn't the most accurate. He would typically admit when he distorted facts and figures to make the Roman Empire look better.

Anyways, point is, it wouldn't change my faith at all, because I already believe that Jesus was a man. I would be interested in seeing additional proof, as an engineer myself, but I doubt the case could be made, and I'm not a huge fan of scams.