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Proof of the diety of Jesus?
- Thread starter Riders
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Or Faith.
Tom
Riders
Well-Known Member
What's the point of having faith in your religion if your God had provided scientific evidence for your religion. Then people would serve Jesus just because they'd have to not because because they want to and have faith.
Everyone would be robots brainwashed for Jesus. Everyone would be a Christian.
Everyone would be robots brainwashed for Jesus. Everyone would be a Christian.
Animore
Active Member
"What's the point of having faith for your religion if God had provided scientific evidence."
Ah, see the word faith there? Faith would not exist if evidence would be around. And I don't really see the superiority of faith when compared to knowledge.
"Then people would see Jesus just because they had to..."
I'm pretty sure if they had the evidence, they would be willing and eager to serve a God that finally showed himself.
roger1440
I do stuff
Josephus didn’t prove the existence of Jesus. How could he? Josephus wasn’t even born until seven years after Jesus died.
Why is that a bad thing?
Christians talk about evidence as though it forces people to do things against their will. It doesn't. It allows people to freely choose what is real and therefore what is best.
If you don't have enough information to make the right choice you aren't free to make it. Faith is what ends free will. Evidence enables free will, without forcing anybody to do anything.
Tom
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Interacting with people who lived on the coast of the Red Sea, I'm sure the diety of Jesus would have included fish at least in part. 
Animore
Active Member
Interacting with people who lived on the coast of the Red Sea, I'm sure the diety of Jesus would have included fish at least in part.
I was waiting for one of these. xD
buddhist
Well-Known Member
I think it's important to emphasize that evidence is not proof.
Someone can find an ancient scroll in a stone cottage in Palestine with the name "IESU" written on it, and declares "this is proof for the existence of Jesus! He must be God!" No, it isn't proof, it's simply evidence. He interprets this object in his own way.
Someone else can come along and interpret that same "evidence" in a completely different way: "A boy named Iesu was practicing writing his name in ancient Palestine."
A third person can see the same thing and interpret it yet differently: "Someone bought an ancient piece of parchment and wrote IESU on it to deceive people."
In summary, the scroll is only proof for the scroll and the name written on it. It can be evidence for an infinite number of possibilities. And so, in reference to the OP, there is no proof for the deity of Jesus.
Someone can find an ancient scroll in a stone cottage in Palestine with the name "IESU" written on it, and declares "this is proof for the existence of Jesus! He must be God!" No, it isn't proof, it's simply evidence. He interprets this object in his own way.
Someone else can come along and interpret that same "evidence" in a completely different way: "A boy named Iesu was practicing writing his name in ancient Palestine."
A third person can see the same thing and interpret it yet differently: "Someone bought an ancient piece of parchment and wrote IESU on it to deceive people."
In summary, the scroll is only proof for the scroll and the name written on it. It can be evidence for an infinite number of possibilities. And so, in reference to the OP, there is no proof for the deity of Jesus.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
NOTHING!.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Scripture and Josephus isn't proof either. ;0)
SpiritQuest
The Immortal Man
Jesus' deity is also our deity, in that we are spiritual twins with Jesus. The story of a physical virgin birth has been used by the orthodox church to make Jesus human flesh into an idol of sorts. In truth, Jesus was fully human just like us. Virgin birth actually refers to spiritual re-birth or awakening. Those stories in the Bible are mostly allegory or riddles and the whole Bible can be read as a book about the mind and the duality of the mind.
Interacting with people who lived on the coast of the Red Sea, I'm sure the diety of Jesus would have included fish at least in part.
I laughed a little too much.
Animore
Active Member
Limo
Active Member
Even scriptures provide multiple characters that can't be grouped together. It provided a weak man who doesn't know the future even doesn't know himself.
A good worshiper to God, needs God,pray to God, bows to God, put his head on earth and cry to God.
Nevertheless, there is no clear/trusted/authenticated connection of the New Testimony Gospel to Jesus. Also history of scriptures tells us that these scriptures have been changed a lot.
What is logical, rational, about faith?
I can have faith that the Cleveland Browns will win the Super Bowl
but that is NOT logical.