Proof of the Existance of God

[Super Saiya Jinn]

SSJ,

I love your avatar, I liked your post, but the Drake equation is full of s***. We honestly don't even know all the variables that should be there, let alone their value. Some variables are more concrete than others, but in the end there is too much unknowns in the equation for it to be scientifically useful at the present.

Thank you,

I agree with you to an extent about the Drake equation, but it is in the right area and the variables should be able to be worked out given time, Carl Sagan agrees this point too (that the variables are not certain) but then goes on to give a very conservative estimate using the equation and gives a fair 0.1 chance of happening to each of the variables and still ends up with 10 advanced civilsations elsewhere in the Cosmos, but of course until we counter one of these, this is all speculation.

Anyway, my point was that the math proves it far from impossible, and even more is it possible that there is primitive life out there, my personal opinion is that primitive is certain.

 

[AxisMundi]

Sorry but that is not how nested heirarchies work. The common ancestor of the living members of our taxonomic family will be in the same taxonomic family.

Note that I was specific in saying that the common ancestor we share with the extant apes was an ape. But it would be just as true to say that the common ancestor we share with all extant primates was also a primate.

Nakalipithecus is in the family Hominidae which makes it a Great Ape in common parlance, its an ape. Its Order is Primate, just as ours is. The first Hominidae speciated from the Hylobatidae (the family to which Gibbons belong) about 18 million years ago.

I beg to differ.

By your logic above, we would catagorize ourselves as "Great Apes".

 

[Gunfingers]

We are Great Apes.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I beg to differ.

By your logic above, we would catagorize ourselves as "Great Apes".

We are Great Apes.

Homo Sapiens

Family - Hominidae [great apes, hominids; fist-walking; family with Ponginae, Orangutans, also included, oldest living ones, common ancestor with them]

 

[painted wolf]

Humans nested hierarchy... we are ALL of the following:
Eukaryote (Having cells with a nucleus)
Animal (multicellular heterotrophs without cell walls)
Bilaterian (Animals with bilateral symmetry)
Deuterostome (Bilateral animals with embryonic development starting with the anus)
Chordate (Deuterostomes with a notochord among their uniting features)
Craniate (Chordates with cartilaginous or bony reinforcement of the head)
Vertebrate (Craniates with a spine)
Gnathostome (Vertebrates with jaws)
(Sarcopterygian) (Development of bony mobile limbs from fins)
(unnamed group including fishapods and their descendants)
Tetrapod (All animals with four legs and their decendants)
Aminote (All Tetrapods with an amnion protecting the developing embryo)
Synapsid (Aminotses with a single hole behind the eye and differentiated teeth)
Therapsid (Teeth include incisors, canines and molars among other features)
Mammal (3 middle ear bones, hair/fur and milk production among other features)
Eutherian (Placental mammals)
Primate (Placental mammals including Prosimians, Simians, Tarsiers and Gallugos)
Simian ( Primate group containing the New and Old World Monkeys, Apes, Great Apes and Humans)
Catarrhini (the Simian group containing Old World Monkeys, Apes, Great Apes and Humans)
Hominidae (the Great Apes: Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimp, Bonobo and Humans)
Homininae (Gorillas, Chimps, Bonobos and Humans)
Hominini (Chimps, Bonobos and Humans)
Hominina (The Hominids including Humans)
Homo (All Hominids united by a set of physical features as well as use of manufactured stone tools, including modern Humans and our descendants)
Sapiens (Modern Humans)

There are other groups that we belong to... but this gives you a good idea of why Humans are as much "Great Apes" as they are "Mammals" and "Vertebrates".

Our closest common ancestor with Chimps was an ape... we are apes today. (and Great apes at that!)

wa:do

 

[fantome profane]

Our closest common ancestor with Chimps was an ape... we are apes today. (and Great apes at that!)

aww shucks, we do ok.

 

[McBell]

Seems to me that the title of thread is at best misleading and at worst a flat out lie.

 

[darkendless]

Are you aware of the theory called Intelligent Design? That doesn't quite prove that God exists, but it does give interesting evidence.

The major problem with ID is the way they go about finding things.

With traditional science they use experiments to find answers.

With ID they use answers to make experiments that fit.

To neutrals ID is very dishonest science and has no credibility.

 

[Sunstone]

Humans nested hierarchy... we are ALL of the following:
Eukaryote (Having cells with a nucleus)
Animal (multicellular heterotrophs without cell walls)
Bilaterian (Animals with bilateral symmetry)
Deuterostome (Bilateral animals with embryonic development starting with the anus)
Chordate (Deuterostomes with a notochord among their uniting features)
Craniate (Chordates with cartilaginous or bony reinforcement of the head)
Vertebrate (Craniates with a spine)
Gnathostome (Vertebrates with jaws)
(Sarcopterygian) (Development of bony mobile limbs from fins)
(unnamed group including fishapods and their descendants)
Tetrapod (All animals with four legs and their decendants)
Aminote (All Tetrapods with an amnion protecting the developing embryo)
Synapsid (Aminotses with a single hole behind the eye and differentiated teeth)
Therapsid (Teeth include incisors, canines and molars among other features)
Mammal (3 middle ear bones, hair/fur and milk production among other features)
Eutherian (Placental mammals)
Primate (Placental mammals including Prosimians, Simians, Tarsiers and Gallugos)
Simian ( Primate group containing the New and Old World Monkeys, Apes, Great Apes and Humans)
Catarrhini (the Simian group containing Old World Monkeys, Apes, Great Apes and Humans)
Hominidae (the Great Apes: Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimp, Bonobo and Humans)
Homininae (Gorillas, Chimps, Bonobos and Humans)
Hominini (Chimps, Bonobos and Humans)
Hominina (The Hominids including Humans)
Homo (All Hominids united by a set of physical features as well as use of manufactured stone tools, including modern Humans and our descendants)
Sapiens (Modern Humans)

There are other groups that we belong to... but this gives you a good idea of why Humans are as much "Great Apes" as they are "Mammals" and "Vertebrates".

Our closest common ancestor with Chimps was an ape... we are apes today. (and Great apes at that!)

wa:do

You forgot beer drinkers. Where on your chart is beer drinkers?

 

[painted wolf]

I did say "most groups" .... not "all groups"

But I'll remember for next time.

wa:do

 

[Autodidact]

I beg to differ.

By your logic above, we would catagorize ourselves as "Great Apes".

Exactly.