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Proof of the supernatural

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IHaveTheGift

U know who U R
Disclaimer:
OK, I know talk is cheap, please try to trust me, I have nothing what so ever to gain by making this up, nothing what so ever.
At best, you can claim attention, but you can be assured, I have some very very expensive video editing software at my disposal, and nothing but time on my hands.
So if attention is what I seek by trying to deceive others, if even just for fun, I would do just that. :yes:
Personally though, I get zero thrills from deceiving others, I despise liars and my conscious does not allow me to be a cheater or such.
I wish to be remembered for helping, not remembered for being a total loser.

If you can explain it, please do, so far, I know of only one explanation that fits.
It has to be something of the supernatural.
I say supernatural, because nothing natural could possibly be the explanation.
On with the actual reason for this post.

I have invisible eyes in the back of my head, and can prove it... lol, j/k :D

Seriously....
Back when I was 19, I was playing Basketball with some friends and a friend came to me and said her gramma wanted to talk to me.
This old woman never liked me, she hated all us kids, she was terrifying.
But since she was disabled, its not as if she could "get me" if you will.
So I went to her house to see what she wanted.

She told me she woke up with the number 147 drilled into her head, she even claimed she could see it floating in the air, if you will and because I was very well known as being good in math, she chose me to ask about it.
Obviously, I had no damn clue what 147 meant, none at all.
She went on to explain that she had prayed to God all night to help her, as their washer had broken and she felt it was God talking to her.
About that time, the TV commercial about the lottery came on, she looked at me and said that's it, God gave me the winning number.

She asked me about the lottery, how much it cost, how much it paid, etc.
So I explained it to her.
$1 bet pays off $500 if it comes out exact and I said that most people put a back up on it with an extra $1, so if it comes out in a different order, you still win $83.
She had 3 dollars to her name, elected to play it $1 straight and $1 boxed and begged me to use the last dollar to play it myself.
I declined, I didn't want to take her last dollar.

So I wrote the number on my hand with a pen so I wouldn't forget it, and went to play it for her and gave her the ticket.
Pretty much forgot about it and went back to B-ball.
Later that day, here comes her granddaughter running up to me.
"she won" "she won" "she won"......
I was like, yah ok, I thought she was teasing me.
Went back to her house, sure nuff, there she was holding a handful of money.
She hit it straight and boxed $583.
She gave me $25 too :)
Got her washer and gave some to her church and what ever else she did with the rest.

There is no way on earth that is just a coincidence as many have told me.
If she played the lotto regularly, yah, perhaps so.
She had no clue about the lotto, and plus the commercial came on as we were trying to figure out what the number meant, we were sort of trying to check Bible verses related to that number.
As far as I know, she never played it again either.
It was a one time thing.

This happened nearly 30 years ago and I will never forget it and one of the many many reasons why I am convinced that God exists.
It was not just the money she needed that was the deal here, tons and tons of lives were made better that day.
She was never a big meanie to us kids again, let others in need use her washer, and of course, the testimony she gave in church, had to strengthen many many peoples faith in God, and the domino effect it created could probably fill a book...

Plus, come to think of it, here it is 30 years later, and I am sharing it online, with the potential of millions of people to read.

If you fail to believe me and think I am just making this up, which I am not, at least try to "what if" this is actually true....
Could it really be deemed a coincidence?

Again, I am not lying, it happened and there is nothing what so ever I would gain by making this up, why on earth would I waste all this time creating this post full of lies?
It is not in my nature to do that, I have too much respect for myself to be a liar.

To me, this be like cheating at solitary to win, just how stupid is that?
Yet people do it, too funny, and I don't care really, but it is mind boggling to cheat in a game that you are playing by yourself against yourself and cheat.
That is soooooo funnnyy.....
"I won in a game of chance against myself by cheating myself....wootness" :D

Discuss...
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I've read and heard of so many paranormal sounding things in my life and it's kind of become a hobby of mine to study the so-called paranormal. In doing so, I have also become aware of probably every skeptical argument there is also. With due consideration to both sides of the argument, I believe paranormal things do happen beyond all reasonable doubt.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
If you fail to believe me and think I am just making this up, which I am not, at least try to "what if" this is actually true....
Could it really be deemed a coincidence?

Yes.
People dream with numbers sometimes.
It is only natural that eventually someone would get the correct number for the lotto on a dream.

Now, if that had happened many times with her, then it would be particularly harder to dismiss it as being a mere coincidence.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
About the thread title: Proof of the supernatural

You probably shouldn't use the word 'proof' for a story such as yours where the events are not reproducible by their very nature. 'Evidence' might be a better word.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
About the thread title: Proof of the supernatural

You probably shouldn't use the word 'proof' for a story such as yours where the events are not reproducible by their very nature. 'Evidence' might be a better word.
anecdotal evidence.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
If you fail to believe me and think I am just making this up, which I am not, at least try to "what if" this is actually true....
Could it really be deemed a coincidence?
Of course it could be a coincidence.

I think you're looking at the wrong set of odds:

What's the likelihood that on that day, in that one draw, that one woman would win? I agree - very low.

... though not unbelievably low. After all, people win the lottery every day. Many of the winners are playing for the first time. It's not unheard of.


However, I'm more interested in another question: what's the likelihood that over the course of your whole life, at least one person you know would have something happen that seems very strange and unlikely? Better than even odds, I'd bet.

That aside, I'm curious about something: when you concluded that it wasn't a coincidence, why did you automatically assume that it must have been supernatural? After all, there are plenty of non-supernatural, non-coincidental possible explanations. Maybe someone rigged the lottery to make sure she'd win - lotteries have been rigged before. Maybe she didn't actually win but just lied about it. How did you exclude these possibilities?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Why does claimed proof of the supernatural, god, or miracles always end up being not proof-like in any way, shape, or form?
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I don't know how you get from a woman dreaming of the winning lottery numbers to God. That's unnecessary and unjustifiable. People have what they later decide were prophetic dreams all the time, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I don't know how you get from a woman dreaming of the winning lottery numbers to God. That's unnecessary and unjustifiable. People have what they later decide were prophetic dreams all the time, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
The other night I dreamed I was at a house party where Maurice Richard was playing a Star Wars themed table soccer game. I wonder if that was a prophecy. :)
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
I never bet on a horse race in my life but one day in Vegas I was walking through a casino sportsbook and on the board was a horse with the name, "BetMe(my name)." I decided to put money on the horse to win. It came first and paid 20-1. I call that a happy coincidence. Statistically these things have to happen. It would be greater evidence of supernatural influences in our lives if they never happened.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
By the way, I'm getting a message from the other side. It's a message from somebody with an "S" name? Or, "F?" Is there somebody here who knows somebody whose dead whose name begins with S or F? Or, possibly, M. It's an older man, like a father or grandfather. Maybe an uncle. If this is you, let me know, so I can pass along the message.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
By the way, I'm getting a message from the other side. It's a message from somebody with an "S" name? Or, "F?" Is there somebody here who knows somebody whose dead whose name begins with S or F? Or, possibly, M. It's an older man, like a father or grandfather. Maybe an uncle. If this is you, let me know, so I can pass along the message.

I'm getting that too... and I see a darkness in his chest. It looks like he had a heart attack... or lung cancer... or acid reflux. Some problem in his chest, anyhow. Uncanny, isn't it?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
I'm getting that too... and I see a darkness in his chest. It looks like he had a heart attack... or lung cancer... or acid reflux. Some problem in his chest, anyhow. Uncanny, isn't it?

Yeah, definitely something in the chest. Some kind of disease, condition, or problem related to the chest in some way.

It's good to see someone else who has the gift on here. It can be a real burden coming up with all these cold read...I mean getting all these messages from dead people.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Omg, my grandfather had heart problems! His name was Earl, and E is very similar to F.

That's it! E. Sometimes the messages are a bit unclear and fuzzy. It's definitely Earl. Earl's telling me he was your grandfather, and he had some kind of problem with his heart? Is that correct?
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
I'm getting that too... and I see a darkness in his chest. It looks like he had a heart attack... or lung cancer... or acid reflux. Some problem in his chest, anyhow. Uncanny, isn't it?

It's my uncle Stefamo. He died at age 70 from suffocation after a chunk of my aunt's oatmeal got lodged in his throat. Tell him I love him and miss him, and forgive him for that awkward moment that night on the back porch.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
That's it! E. Sometimes the messages are a bit unclear and fuzzy. It's definitely Earl. Earl's telling me he was your grandfather, and he had some kind of problem with his heart? Is that correct?

Oh my God, that's uncanny! that's him exactly! He died from a heart attack! How is he?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Oh my God, that's uncanny! that's him exactly! He died from a heart attack! How is he?

He's good, except for being dead, of course. But, he keeps trying to tell me something about his grandaughter...he says tell my grandaughter to go fishing for trout? Not sure what that means.
 

IHaveTheGift

U know who U R
Thanks for all the replies, even the humorous ones :D
Please tone it down though, we have a section for humor ;)
I do not believe it is allowed to do that in someones serious thread though.
Thanks :D

Of course it could be a coincidence.

I think you're looking at the wrong set of odds:

What's the likelihood that on that day, in that one draw, that one woman would win? I agree - very low.

... though not unbelievably low. After all, people win the lottery every day. Many of the winners are playing for the first time. It's not unheard of.


However, I'm more interested in another question: what's the likelihood that over the course of your whole life, at least one person you know would have something happen that seems very strange and unlikely? Better than even odds, I'd bet.

That aside, I'm curious about something: when you concluded that it wasn't a coincidence, why did you automatically assume that it must have been supernatural? After all, there are plenty of non-supernatural, non-coincidental possible explanations. Maybe someone rigged the lottery to make sure she'd win - lotteries have been rigged before. Maybe she didn't actually win but just lied about it. How did you exclude these possibilities?

No, it would seem that you are looking at the wrong set of odds here ;)

If X amount of people play the lotto on a first time whim, pick some random number, of course, it is safe to say if one or more of them will win,
and it can be deemed coincidences, luck of the draw.
Happens all the time.
Hundreds of thousands play it every day

I honestly can no see how she can be added to those sets of odds.

You cant add her experience into a mix of spontaneous lotto players, because this is far from being labeled a spontaneous action of her.
Maybe I a wrong here, but never the less, her experiences is not spontaneous.
I do know, when it comes to odds, you don't mix unrelated situations to determine odds and probabilities.

Maybe someone rigged the lottery to make sure she'd win - lotteries have been rigged before. Maybe she didn't actually win but just lied about it. How did you exclude these possibilities?

How could you not exclude those possibilities?
They are very far fetched theories.

Rigged lotto?
Lets assume it was rigged, how did "they" know she woke up with that number?
How did they rig it for her?
Why would they rig it for a random total stranger and risk federal jail time to let her win a whole $500?
Wouldn't it much easier to just buy her washer for her?
The amount of people that would have to be involved in the rigging, does not justify the rigging itself for $500 when they can easily get her a washer through so many other means.
Again, risking federal jail time does not justify the winnings of $500

So she lied?
This involves her ability to "fake" the winning results to make it appear like she won.
X actually came out, but she convinced all the stores around us to display a false number, just so she could trick me and a few other people, including the local news who broadcasts the results.
Plus, she then paid me $25 out of her own money, somehow came up with $500 to help pull off the whole scam.
Seems like a bunch of work and money spent on such a trivial scam.
Again, the stores face serious fines and such, displaying fake lotto results and will loose their rights to sell lotto tickets.
All just to trick me and a few others, ehhh?

What about the rest of the world who knew the winning number was faked for the trickery/joke?
Are they all involved too or did they get hushed into not complaining to the stores and news for displaying the wrong winning number?
 
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