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Proof That the Bible is the Word of God and True

thedictator

A Dictator of a Coach
Isaiah 40:22 He ( God ) sits enthroned above the circle of the earth........

This statement was made between 745-680 BC. Isaiah is saying that the Earth is round, At the time people believed that the Earth was flat, But not Isaiah, Why??? because God reviled the truth to him. The Bible is truth. :bow: :bow:
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Isaiah 40:22 He ( God ) sits enthroned above the circle of the earth........

This statement was made between 745-680 BC. Isaiah is saying that the Earth is round, At the time people believed that the Earth was flat, But not Isaiah, Why??? because God reviled the truth to him. The Bible is truth. :bow: :bow:

The earth is actually a sphere. People used to think the earth was a flat circle, like a pancake.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Some Versions of the Bible use the word Sphere.

I'm guessing those are versions that were put together after the objection I raised had already been voiced (I just checked the KJ, the NWT, and the Pe****a and they all say circle).

I don't have any idea what the original hebrew word might have been, or what the most accurate translation therof would be. It would be interesting to look up.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
And...?

Archimedes discovered Buoyancy. I guess that means Archimedes is God.

I think this is even more amazing;

wiki said:
The idea that matter is composed of discrete units and can not be divided into any arbitrarily small quantities, has been around for thousands of years. The earliest references to the concept of atoms date back to ancient India in the 6th century BCE. [3]. The Nyaya and Vaisheshika schools developed elaborate theories on how atoms combined into more complex objects (first in pairs, then trios of pairs) [4]. The references to atoms in West, emerge a century later by Democritus. In around 450 BCE, Democritus coined the term atomos, which meant "uncuttable". Though both the Indian and Greek concepts of the atom were based purely on philosophy, modern science has retained the name coined by Democritus.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Isaiah 40:22 He ( God ) sits enthroned above the circle of the earth........

This statement was made between 745-680 BC. Isaiah is saying that the Earth is round, At the time people believed that the Earth was flat, But not Isaiah, Why??? because God reviled the truth to him. The Bible is truth.
No, the argument is bull.

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COSMOLOGY AND COSMOGONY OF ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
 

Phil Lawton

Active Member
Isaiah 40:22 He ( God ) sits enthroned above the circle of the earth........

This statement was made between 745-680 BC. Isaiah is saying that the Earth is round, At the time people believed that the Earth was flat, But not Isaiah, Why??? because God reviled the truth to him. The Bible is truth.

Some people are so easily pleased.
 

may

Well-Known Member
And over 3,000 years before the famous scientist Sir Isaac Newton explained that the planets are held in empty space by gravity, the Bible poetically stated that ‘the earth is hanging upon nothing.’ (Job 26:7) yes the bible is inspired of God .
Consider also this poetic description of the earth’s water cycle, recorded some 3,000 years ago: "All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again." (Ecclesiastes 1:7, New International Version) Yes, the Creator of the universe is also the Author of the Bible.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Sphere...........circle.............what's the difference?
Don't play basketball or frisbee much, do you? :D

may said:
Consider also this poetic description of the earth’s water cycle, recorded some 3,000 years ago: "All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again." (Ecclesiastes 1:7, New International Version) Yes, the Creator of the universe is also the Author of the Bible.
May,

First, how do you know you're not reading too much into your quote? At first glance, it doesn't say anything about rainfall. Since even in ancient times, it was recognized that some streams have underground springs as their source (and since, IIRC, some ancient people thought that there was a great subterranean ocean), why must the writer have meant that "the place the streams come from" is the sky and the clouds, and not underground?

Second, if a passage that seems to suggest what we now know is true can be considered "evidence" for the Bible's divine authorship, what can we conclude by passages that suggest things we now know to be false? Consider 1 Kings 7:23-26, describing the cauldron, or "molten sea", in the Temple of Solomon (NIV - emphasis mine):

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths. (NIV)

As we hopefully all remember from our elementary school math classes, the circumference of a circle can be calculated as follows:

C = (pi) D (where C is the circumference and D is the diameter)

Solving for pi, we get:

pi = C / D

and plugging in the values above, we get:

pi = (30 cubits) / (10 cubits) = 3.000000

Now... we know that pi is not exactly 3 (it's 3.14159265359.... etc.). You would expect a circle 10 cubits in diameter to have a circumference of 31.4159 cubits. Even if you rounded off to the nearest cubit, you'd get 31, not 30.

If we can conclude from your passage that God wrote the Bible, what can we conclude from 1 Kings? That God is bad at math? That God didn't write the Bible?
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
I don't have any idea what the original hebrew word might have been, or what the most accurate translation therof would be. It would be interesting to look up.
Ask and ye shall receive: http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H02329&Version=kjv

Jay's diagram above illustrates what the term chuwg ("circle" "compass" or "vault of the heavens") is probably designating. Though not "sphere" perhaps "semi-sphere" might be appropriate.

Makes me wonder how much more of this sort of thing is floating around in Christian pop apologetics . . .
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The word used in reference to the sky in Genesis is "dome," coming from the Hebrew raqiya, which literally means, "hammered-out." To the Elohist, the sky was a dome that was hammered out and placed over the earth. 1) All domes are circular at the base...otherwise, you would have a pyramid. 2) All domes are flat at the base. A dome cannot fully cover a sphere.

Proof? Maybe 80 proof...
 

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Isaiah 11:2 (King James Version)
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Isaiah 11:2 (King James Version)
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
***sound of toilet flushing***
"Well...[watching the waste spiral down]...there goes that theory."
 
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