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Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

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Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Mestemia said:
To answer your completely irrelevant question, I do not know.

There, now fly back to your flock and claim your shallow irrelevant "victory".
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Response: No my friend. No victory will I claim here. I don't seek any victory. However, after over 600 posts, let me be the first to commend you on being the first to at least answer the question directly. It does show your humility and that you should be commended for it.
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Judgment said:
You are completely ignoring certain words. There is no clarity.

"According to some Islamic accounts, she was Muhammad's wife, and therefore a "Mother of the Believers" (Arabic: Umm-al-Momineen), other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine."

"Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology."
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you already posted that, so are we going to go round and round here untill one of us slips up, or what?

you did ask for someone to dissprove that man, so i did. know whats the problem? why can't you just accept it? we never made a deal that you had to become a muslim, so whats going on?

and you too are not quoting fully, ignoring certain words. clearly it has been dissproven since in islam one cannot have sex before marriage, and are you claiming that Muhamed (saws) would go against that very thing that he was teaching others?

are you saying that if he did this, the people of the time were so dumb they could not know that Muhammed (saws) was going agains the religion he was given?
 
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Fatihah

Well-Known Member
kai said:
In order to" produce a chapter like the Quran" means it has to be judged by a Muslim now for a muslim to even consider a man made work the equal of Gods work would be shirk. so although its a good conundrum its absolutely useless at proving anything, No muslim would ever agree to the equal of the Quran so it only self reinforces muslim beleif. It seems to be an unanswerable riddle, but it's not. You know the answer, even if you don't think you do. It's as plain as the nose on your face.
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Response: But the challenge is not to see if muslims will agree with you so none of this is relevant.
 
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Fatihah

Well-Known Member
England my lionheart said:
Quote Fatihah:Response: You haven't answered the question. Can you produce a chapter like the qur'an's?

Even if this challenge was met it would'nt be accepted as Kai pointed out,the important thing here is the content which can easily be reproduced,it is the writing style that is the problem.
When the Quran was revealed Arabic Poetry was riding high,the style of the way the Quran was written is the difficult part.
The content of the Quran from my perspective is a plagiarisation of the books of the Bible and the Muslim claim that the Torah had been tampered with or changed is really the otherway round,it is the Quran that has changed what is in the Torah to what is the Quran.
The fact that the Bugatti Veyrons manual can be proved to be true and no religious writing can will still be met with the stock question " Can you produce a chapter like the qur'an's?" because in reality thats all Muslims have.
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Response: And in reality, that's all muslims' need.
 
Judgment

Judgment

Active Member
eselam said:
you already posted that, so are we going to go round and round here untill one of us slips up, or what?

you did ask for someone to dissprove that man, so i did. know whats the problem? why can't you just accept it? we never made a deal that you had to become a muslim, so whats going on?

and you too are not quoting fully, ignoring certain words. clearly it has been dissproven since in islam one cannot have sex before marriage, and are you claiming that Muhamed (saws) would go against that very thing that he was teaching others?

are you saying that if he did this, the people of the time were so dumb they could not know that Muhammed (saws) was going agains the religion he was given?
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The point is - you disproved nothing.

There is no solid consensus - no true clarity on the issue.
 
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Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Judgment said:
Here is the claim. And below is the challenge from Sina. If you can prove the claim to be incorrect - you receive the reward... and the info is removed from the site.


Sina's Challenge: Muhammad a Lecher
Sina's Challenge


"I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.
If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay
$50,000 U.S. dollars "​
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Response: Neither do I seek a reward or accept any bribes.
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Judgment said:
The subject has not changed ?

If he committed something he preached against - he should have received the punishment.
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oh, Judgement, you still don't get it. he never did that, islam forbids it, and he was the man that told everyone of it (that it is forbiden) so how can that be huh?
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
kai said:
esalam you crack me up man :D i am going to frubal you for that one:D
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thanks Kai, nice to see someone who is enjoying himself, i don't like to debate when there is a lot of tension around, you just lighted things up i guess.
 
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Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Judgment said:
Fatihah said:
The verse states "whosoever is in the Heavens and the Earth". That would include Iblis. In fact - that would include 'everyone'.


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Since there are many unbelievers - the contradiction is clear. 'all' are not obedient to Allah.

Response: Perhaps you and everyone you know. But I for one and I'm sure many others here also, are not in the earth or heavens. My house is on the ground "outside" the earth, not "in" the earth. But if for someone reason you actually chose to live "in" the earth, and you for whatever reason see everyone else in the earth with you, well, than I guess in your mind there is a contridiction. When I usually dig up the earth, I see rodents and other insects, I never saw you.

Quote: Judgement
Not correct. If you change your mind - Allah will not forgive. Contradiction
is clear.

4:137Those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them.

Response: O.K. I think I see the problem here. The problem is that you don't know what the word "contridiction" means. If a verse says "Allah never fogives unless you repent" and another verse says "Allah never forgives EVEN if you repent" is an example of a contridiction. There's the difference. Even the verse you quoted gave a condition. That condition was disbelief. If you disbelieve, you will not be forgiven. The verse you quoted that is supposed to contridict it does not speak of disbelievers, therefore, it can't be contridicting.

Quote: Judgement
You gave no rebuttal here ? One verse states he could have a son - and one does not.
The contradiction is looking back at you.

Response: Yes. This statement alone shows that you have no idea what the word "contridiction" means.
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