Thicken your skin then? If your that scared of a sign, then that is a you problem.
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Proselytizing signs
- Thread starter 9-10ths_Penguin
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Thicken your skin then? If your that scared of a sign, then that is a you problem.
I didn't say it scared me. I said that it's trying to use scare tactics.
This has already been discussed, between Katz and . So there is not much more ground to go over really.
The "NO JESUS = HELL" part covered that angle.
Why would you think that he does? Are you talking about the rules for Olympic spectators, the laws of South Korea, or something else?
The way he was pulling it out of his coat to show it only when the camera was pointed at him suggests that the sign broke the rules and he knew it. The way he was acting sure made it seem like he was trying to avoid the attention of the staff who would be able to kick him out or tell him to stop.
... but only in non-Christians who find Hell shocking and scary. That guy was focusing on a very narrow demographic.
Christians using fear of hell to motivate people has a history as long as the existence of Christianity itself.
Matthew 5:29-30:
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I agree that he was focusing on a very narrow demographic, so narrow that it was probably a waste of the money it took to prepare the sign.
Yeah, I know, but when I say something's not very "Christian," I'm really thinking that it's not very "Christ-like." Maybe I should rephrase that in the future.
What specific religion did it disparage?
So you disagree free speech is a universal human right? Nice to know.
All of the ones without Jesus.
If you really think that was my point, try reading more carefully.
How did it disparage them?
There is no other concussion. Either you believe free speech is a universal human right or you do not.
By implying that their adherents are hellbound.
Pump the brakes there, bub.
You do understand that when you’re a guest in someone else’s establishment - e.g. when you’re a spectator at a sporting event - they can ask you to follow certain rules and if you disobey them, they can kick you out, right? This is not a free speech issue.
Not all religions believe in hell. So you can't say it's disparaging to all other religions.
It is for people who believe free speech is a universal human right.
Free speech is not an unfettered right anyplace, there's still rules.
And not everywhere are even the basics guaranteed by the government, much less the social contract.
So, no. You're being a little foolish here if those facts escape you. If not, then you see why he hasn't necessarily got the right to hold up that sign where he was doing it.
I'm not even sure he'd have them here in the US.
Tom
Free speech is a universal human right. If you don't support that, well, it says very bad things about you.
How does this break any free speech law?
If you can show how it is outside of free speech then you have an argument.
Otherwise you don't believe free speech is a universal human right.
Stick it up your snark.
I don't know what the laws in Korea are concerning private property and events and behavior.
But let's face it, if someone showed up at your church and started talking about how much better Islam is, shutting him down wouldn't be considered a violation of his right to free speech by anyone I know.
I don't believe in unfettered rights to free speech, nor do I think that all countries have even basic rights on this subject. So, no, I don't believe that free speech is a universal human right in any sense.
Tom
I rest my case.
My church is private property. (If I had one)
A sporting event is in the public. So long as you are not loud/disruptive, making threats, or causing physical harm, then you are well within your rights of free speech. Your fee fees are you own responsibility to manage.
The sporting events are still being held on somebody's property, just like your church is.
Being free to express your opinion doesn't give you the right to do it anywhere at any time.
Tom
The event allowed him on the property with the sign, therefore it must have been "ok".
Are you sure that they did it knowingly, or did he hide it?The event allowed him on the property with the sign, therefore it must have been "ok".
Frankly, I don't really care about him at all. I thought he mostly made Christianity look bad, hypocritical and pushy.
I don't have a problem with him doing that. I would expect Christians to have a problem with it.
Except, I suppose, for the ones who don't see pushy hypocrisy as a bad thing.
Tom
Can you provide evidence he used deception to get the sign in?
The fact he has the sign and is displaying it is evidence he was allowed with it in.