PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

[sojourner]

A coherent argument: The Bible contains things that don't make sense. But what if Rael produced a book that he claimed was dictated by Aliens? The Aliens did things that were recorded in the Bible that made sense. And what if all those things in the Bible that didn't make sense suddenly made sense in light of things that Aliens would want to do? What if there was a lot of unmistakable technology in the Bible like cloning, Internet and atomic bombs?

Again, the book is "Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers by Rael" at www.rael.org , anonymous and free.

This is nothing more than conspiracy theory. I agree with shunyadragon. Nothing here worth arguing.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Why are Tolkien’s books such a weak source of information? Or A Child’s Garden of Verses, or The Hymnal 1982? They’re not designed nor intended to give factual information.

They still contain a great deal of information; even more so the Bible.

 

[robocop (actually)]

This is nothing more than conspiracy theory. I agree with shunyadragon. Nothing here worth arguing.

Unlike shunyadron, why don't you pursue the proof by reading the text for a little while? Many books intended to provide information do just what I said; they prove religion true.

 

[sojourner]

They still contain a great deal of information; even more so the Bible.

No. They don’t.

 

[sojourner]

Unlike shunyadron, why don't you pursue the proof by reading the text for a little while? Many books intended to provide information do just what I said; they prove religion true.

I don’t intend to waste my time on conspiracy theory to “prove” the validity of my religion. My religion is already valid, because it does for me what it’s supposed to do.

 

[robocop (actually)]

No. They don’t.

The "Lord of the Rings" is very easy to remember. The guy who invented LASIK told me that whenever he wants to learn a new language he reads "The Lord of the Rings" in that language. That tells us if you can remember what all the words are supposed to be you must possess a lot of information from the book. They have their own inner logic that helps people to understand good and bad. They are very interesting because the fantasy tugs at our heart strings and we see a reality anyway; one that we can compare to our world in not-so-obvious ways.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I don’t intend to waste my time on conspiracy theory to “prove” the validity of my religion. My religion is already valid, because it does for me what it’s supposed to do.

That's perfectly fair! You don't have to. No one even wants you to.

By the way, the three movies that have received the most awards are "Ben Hur," "Titanic," and "Lord of the RIngs: Return of the King." Just thought you might like that piece of information.

 

[sojourner]

The "Lord of the Rings" is very easy to remember. The guy who invented LASIK told me that whenever he wants to learn a new language he reads "The Lord of the Rings" in that language. That tells us if you can remember what all the words are supposed to be you must possess a lot of information from the book. They have their own inner logic that helps people to understand good and bad. They are very interesting because the fantasy tugs at our heart strings and we see a reality anyway; one that we can compare to our world in not-so-obvious ways.

Fiction isn’t information.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Fiction isn’t information.

I picked a random chapter to summarize from J.R.R. Tolkeins work.

Galadriel gave the Company boats in order to float down the Anduin. She gave each of them a gift, in order to help them on their way. She gave Aragorn a sheath made to fit his sword and a silver broach that held a clear green stone, the Elfstone of the house of Elendil. To Boromir, she gave a belt of gold. To Legolas she gave a bow strung with elf-hair and a quiver of arrows. To Merry and Peregrin, she gave silver belts with golden clasps. To Sam she gave neither something to keep him on the road nor to defend himself; instead she gave him a box of earth from her gardens, so that if he returned to his home in the Shire, his garden would bloom like none other. When she asked Gimli what he wanted of her. After much modest refusal, he asked for a strand of her hair. She gave him three, as well as a blessing that his hands would ever flow with gold, though it would have no dominion over his mind. To Frodo she bequeathed a small crystal vial in which was caught the light of Eärendil's star, amid the waters of a fountain. It would be a light for him in dark places and make the night brighter.

The company then left on their way down the river. They had chosen a difficult, but a valiant path.

This contains real things and suggests things of value. The fiction contains morals for people to be good. The tale is easy to remember so that people can hold a lot of information in their mind.

 

[dianaiad]

Yes but he seems not to have mad an unexpected call to the local chapter of the New Atheism appreciation society - which is kinda curious given that he claimed he was most interested in ministering to sinners...in which case, why does he almost exclusively appear to people who are already believers? Maybe they're the most sinful people? Or the most mistaken?

According to the story, He first ministered only to the Jews, and only later to 'gentiles.' Now those gentiles would have been 'all sorts...' polytheists, atheists (though being an atheist was considered to be a capital offense at the time, and worshiping only one God was seen as a form of atheism) or various versions of monotheism, not necessarily Abrahamic.

 

[sojourner]

I picked a random chapter to summarize from J.R.R. Tolkeins work.

Galadriel gave the Company boats in order to float down the Anduin. She gave each of them a gift, in order to help them on their way. She gave Aragorn a sheath made to fit his sword and a silver broach that held a clear green stone, the Elfstone of the house of Elendil. To Boromir, she gave a belt of gold. To Legolas she gave a bow strung with elf-hair and a quiver of arrows. To Merry and Peregrin, she gave silver belts with golden clasps. To Sam she gave neither something to keep him on the road nor to defend himself; instead she gave him a box of earth from her gardens, so that if he returned to his home in the Shire, his garden would bloom like none other. When she asked Gimli what he wanted of her. After much modest refusal, he asked for a strand of her hair. She gave him three, as well as a blessing that his hands would ever flow with gold, though it would have no dominion over his mind. To Frodo she bequeathed a small crystal vial in which was caught the light of Eärendil's star, amid the waters of a fountain. It would be a light for him in dark places and make the night brighter.

The company then left on their way down the river. They had chosen a difficult, but a valiant path.

This contains real things and suggests things of value. The fiction contains morals for people to be good. The tale is easy to remember so that people can hold a lot of information in their mind.

Still doesn’t impart information as we’ve defined it.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Still doesn’t impart information as we’ve defined it.

As you and shunyadragon defined it.

 

[Muffled]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

I believe it is Christianity because God says so.

 

[Muffled]

All religions are "true" to the believer, --- for a given value of true.

True that the threshold of truth is low or the definition of true is completely misrepresented. But (usually) the believer believes their religion is true... thats faith for ya!

I believe people can believe in fake religions.

 

[Muffled]

You have not offered proof that The Lord Of The Rings is not real either.

I believe of course the Lord of the Rings is real fiction.

 

[ChristineM]

I believe people can believe in fake religions.

What is a fake religion?

 

[Quintessence]

What is a fake religion?

I'm still trying to figure that out myself. The only thing I'd put in that category are satirical religions (e.g., pastafarianism).

 

[ChristineM]

I'm still trying to figure that out myself. The only thing I'd put in that category are satirical religions (e.g., pastafarianism).

Pastafarianism to some is as real as religions gets. Some countries recognise the church of the flying spaghetti monster as a real religion

May you too be touched by His Noodly Appendage

 

[tayla]

PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

I prefer to think of them as mere fiction masquerading as revealed truth. But this does not mean there is no God.