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Psychoproprioception
- Thread starter Papoon
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It depends on how well they know me but I don't believe anyone can know me better than I know myself.
I know myself 75-80 percent.
My parents, siblings and Best friend maybe 50%
Everyone else much less.
Anyone however may know certain specific aspects of me better than me.
I know myself 75-80 percent.
My parents, siblings and Best friend maybe 50%
Everyone else much less.
Anyone however may know certain specific aspects of me better than me.
Papoon
Active Member
That is a huge and important lesson to learn.
It generally wouldn't matter to me, but also to go farther I tend to compartmentalize people away from my aspirations so there is that. I'm generally staring at the horizon and, mostly from my experience, I'd say that many people aren't ready for that. My real life acquaintances probably know less than the folks I speak with online, so I don't think they'd be a qualified judge.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter how people think of themselves or what others thing about them. It matters what mark you have made in their lives -- is it a good mark or a bad one? Hmm, more important question... probably another topic.
Wait. They're supposed to match? How is that even possible?
"O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!"
Oh, what power the "spirits give us to see ourselves as others see us".
We cannot see ourselves accurately. No one does.
We need the loving others in our lives to mirror what we cannot.
I MUST practice self reflection daily or I might fall back into the selfish
addict I once was.
Facing death will promote self reflection you see.
Spiritual growth is REQUIRED to recover from a hopeless state of mind,
body,and spirit.
Get that?
Oh, what power the "spirits give us to see ourselves as others see us".
We cannot see ourselves accurately. No one does.
We need the loving others in our lives to mirror what we cannot.
I MUST practice self reflection daily or I might fall back into the selfish
addict I once was.
Facing death will promote self reflection you see.
Spiritual growth is REQUIRED to recover from a hopeless state of mind,
body,and spirit.
Get that?
In my experience, very few of us super-evolved spear-chucking chimpanzees are actually conscious of how much and how well we know ourselves and other people. I see the evidence of that nearly every day in things both great and small. Someone will say, "I believe in being kind" or "I have not yet figured out who I am going to vote for." or "I love dogs." And I will instantly know that they are not all that kind, know who they are going to vote for, or know that they hate dogs. Yet -- and here is the key thing -- after that moment of realization has passed, I am at least half likely to slip into thinking, like they do, that they are kind, that they don't know who they are going to vote for, and that they love dogs.
That's to say, there often enough seems to be a difference between what we are consciously aware of and what we really know about both ourselves and others. Sometimes we're consciously aware of the truth, but often we're not. Yet, we frequently seem to know the truth even when we are not consciously aware of it. Go figure.
That's to say, there often enough seems to be a difference between what we are consciously aware of and what we really know about both ourselves and others. Sometimes we're consciously aware of the truth, but often we're not. Yet, we frequently seem to know the truth even when we are not consciously aware of it. Go figure.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I know myself very well and am rarely confused. Others can only know me through the postcards I leave behind on the path I travel. Their assumptions about me are of interest to me but ultimately of little importance. I don't try to live up to their expectations, but am shrewd enough to know how to capitalize on those expectations/assumptions. That said, I carry around a mental dossier on everyone I encounter, a psych profile, if you will that is - based on observation - fairly accurate. I do know, for a fact, that the average human animal has not examined their own belief structures anywhere near as intimately as I have peeled through my own. I've effectively erased the glaring contradictions.
Papoon
Active Member
Not supposed to.
It's possible because the OP didn't refer to an objective reality, whether or not such exists, but to a person's view of themself, vs their own view of how they are seen.
Wirey
Fartist
You know, I never considered this. I genuinely don't give a flying **** what anyone thinks of me. Odd, that.
Papoon
Active Member
Yeah. You may have no idea of how others actually see you. But you live with your idea...
If there are others, separate from one's awareness.
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Papoon
Active Member
Which actually makes no difference whatsoever to the experience.
When others are considered as real and there is dissonance between perceptions, there is likely to be agony etc.
Papoon
Active Member
Others are real.
This comes down to your definition of real. If real is a kind of illusion - then that is that.
When others are considered unreal, why would one have any concern for morality and ethics (dharma) ?
I think it's obvious that our noble species of poo-flinging super-apes is a social species and that we are hardwired to care what others think of us. However, I've notice that the circle of people whose opinions of ourselves we care about gets smaller and smaller as we age. In the end, perhaps, you wind up caring only about the opinions of your closest family and friends.
Papoon
Active Member
My teachers tell me that there cannot be peace as long as there are others. If there is this, there will be that and there will be dissonance. So illusion, if not known as illusion will inevitably create dissonance.
YMMV.
What? How can one be unethical or cruel in respect of non dual self?