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Putin is a complete maniac

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Now he is seemingly going after the Russians as well, if they are against the war or lean towards the west.


Either he is completely disconnected from reality or he is becoming extremely frustrated and desperate as I see it.

Being in his position I could see how that could happen. The war in Ukraine doesn't exactly go well, given that he now have to bomb civilians. The "damn" Ukrainians are as united as ever and doesn't give up. A lot of Russians don't like the war, their country is getting sanctions like crazy. All the oligarchs he have bought over the years are also starting to get worried because they are losing their money and properties. I don't think he have any plan for how the exist strategy for Ukraine is going to be as he have to send in so many soldiers to maintain order. Given how these people like Putin operate, I doubt he has any real friends, which he haven't bought or are scare of him and his threats.

And most of all, I think he is starting to realize that he screwed up not just a little, but big time and that he might actually start to worry about his own future as dictator and what will happen to him. And therefore he lash out at the Russians to get those that support him to start bully those that don't and divide people, sort of the same tactic that Hitler used with the Jews, getting people that support him to go after those that don't, and unite them in a common cause.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
@Nimos.
Do you know that finally Italian media are exposing the genocide in Donbas? Committed by Ukrainians?
Started in 2014, in Crimea and in Odessa.
2014: persecution of Russian speaking people in Crimea, and Odessa
2014: the massacre of Odessa. 46 people died.
2016-2022: Russian speaking population harassed and killed in Donbass.
 
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sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Now he is seemingly going after the Russians as well, if they are against the war or lean towards the west.


Either he is completely disconnected from reality or he is becoming extremely frustrated and desperate as I see it.

Being in his position I could see how that could happen. The war in Ukraine doesn't exactly go well, given that he now have to bomb civilians. The "damn" Ukrainians are as united as ever and doesn't give up. A lot of Russians don't like the war, their country is getting sanctions like crazy. All the oligarchs he have bought over the years are also starting to get worried because they are losing their money and properties. I don't think he have any plan for how the exist strategy for Ukraine is going to be as he have to send in so many soldiers to maintain order. Given how these people like Putin operate, I doubt he has any real friends, which he haven't bought or are scare of him and his threats.

And most of all, I think he is starting to realize that he screwed up not just a little, but big time and that he might actually start to worry about his own future as dictator and what will happen to him. And therefore he lash out at the Russians to get those that support him to start bully those that don't and divide people, sort of the same tactic that Hitler used with the Jews, getting people that support him to go after those that don't, and unite them in a common cause.
Hopefully we will see a coup against him soon....
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Now he is seemingly going after the Russians as well, if they are against the war or lean towards the west.


Either he is completely disconnected from reality or he is becoming extremely frustrated and desperate as I see it.

Being in his position I could see how that could happen. The war in Ukraine doesn't exactly go well, given that he now have to bomb civilians. The "damn" Ukrainians are as united as ever and doesn't give up. A lot of Russians don't like the war, their country is getting sanctions like crazy. All the oligarchs he have bought over the years are also starting to get worried because they are losing their money and properties. I don't think he have any plan for how the exist strategy for Ukraine is going to be as he have to send in so many soldiers to maintain order. Given how these people like Putin operate, I doubt he has any real friends, which he haven't bought or are scare of him and his threats.

And most of all, I think he is starting to realize that he screwed up not just a little, but big time and that he might actually start to worry about his own future as dictator and what will happen to him. And therefore he lash out at the Russians to get those that support him to start bully those that don't and divide people, sort of the same tactic that Hitler used with the Jews, getting people that support him to go after those that don't, and unite them in a common cause.
Yes I think you are probably right about a lot of this, but that does not make him a maniac, just another dictator ruling through fear and the stifling of human rights. (The sort of person @Estro Felino so deeply admires;)).
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
@Nimos.
Do you know that finally Italian media are exposing the genocide in Donbas? Committed by Ukrainians?
Started in 2014, in Crimea and in Odessa.
2014: persecution of Russian speaking people in Crimea, and Odessa
2014: the massacre of Odessa. 46 people died.
2016-2022: Russian speaking population harassed and killed in Donbass.
No, I haven't seen anything about a genocide going on? They had all those fights about EU and not EU.

You mean that Ukraine were trying to kill off huge numbers of people living there?

The majority of people in Donbass speak Russian about 2/3 of them from what I can see.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
It is saddening that nobody on RF has ever addressed the issue of the Donbass genocide.
Nobody but me.
Perhaps because it doesn't mean that much - and certainly not genocide - unless you believe there were only that number of Russian-leaning people in Donbass. Given that numbers like that are often killed in riots or similar. Why do you put so much store on one incident?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
And most of all, I think he is starting to realize that he screwed up not just a little, but big time and that he might actually start to worry about his own future as dictator and what will happen to him. And therefore he lash out at the Russians to get those that support him to start bully those that don't and divide people, sort of the same tactic that Hitler used with the Jews, getting people that support him to go after those that don't, and unite them in a common cause.

Is anyone aware that Hitler sent lawyers and propaganda people to the USA, in the 1930's, before Hitler came to full power, to learn from the Democrats, how to use legal means to discriminate against a race of people and make them second class citizens? Maybe Putin learned from the modern Democrats. .

What America Taught the Nazis

When the South lost the Civil War, the Democrat party should have been dissolved, like the Nazi party was after WWII. The reason was the Southern Democrats, did not accept defeat but vowed to rise again, while still having access to all potential positions in Government.

They knew they could not win a new war, but they could use their power, politics and the legal system to get what they wanted. This would be under the radar. They created laws that made it legal to discriminate against the blacks; Jim Crow laws. Most people try to be good citizens and will not do things against the law. But if the shady is made legal, they can be manipulated to do bad and feel good, since they are being lawful. This would also become the tactic used by Hitler against the Jews, since he knew good people would take the side of the law. They would assume leaders would not make a shady law, but probably had a good reason.

The Jews during the time of Hitler were well connected in terms of business, finance and law. He could not round everyone up for no good reason. This would be illegal. He needed a way to get the good people on board, so they would not think or feel they were doing wrong, since they would be acting according to the law. In America, if you saw black and white only restaurants in the 1940's and this was legal, people would accept it and act as matter of fact.

In the USA, we have freedom of speech, but if it was legal to take this away during emergencies or made up emergencies, people would feel good following the law, even if they persecute. Social media is doing good when they censor, right? There is no legal action against it so it must be lawful.

If you recall, Obama and Biden let Putin take Crimea. This was the test run. Putin behaved during Trump, since Trump never signed on to Democrats legal scams. Putin had to wait for a Democrat, like Biden, since he and his peers did not refuse or resist invasion of Crimea. Biden is hesitant to act, since those involved expected the fall of Ukraine to occur faster than it it. The plan is not going ad planned. It is starting to look like Biden can no longer stall without drawing suspicion. But is falling short of fully assisting Ukraine to win; third stage of stall.
 
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Orbit

I'm a planet
@Nimos.
Do you know that finally Italian media are exposing the genocide in Donbas? Committed by Ukrainians?
Started in 2014, in Crimea and in Odessa.
2014: persecution of Russian speaking people in Crimea, and Odessa
2014: the massacre of Odessa. 46 people died.
2016-2022: Russian speaking population harassed and killed in Donbass.

Actually the International Criminal Court has ruled that nothing fitting the definition of genocide has occurred. This is pure propaganda.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
No, I haven't seen anything about a genocide going on? They had all those fights about EU and not EU.

You mean that Ukraine were trying to kill off huge numbers of people living there?

The majority of people in Donbass speak Russian about 2/3 of them from what I can see.
There is no genocide in Donbass -- but there is much conflict. It is a part of the Ukraine that many within would like to be part of Russia, and are fighting towards that end. But should we be surprised that the Ukrainians of Donbass would prefer to remain within the Ukraine, and are therefore fighting back? Of course not!

In any case, the word genocide is being ridiculously mis-used in this instance, since even if Russians are a majority within fhe region of Donbass, nobody is trying to eliminate all Russians, everywhere. But "genocide" has been horribly misused for political purposes ever since it was coined by lawyer Raphael Lemkin in 1944. And I would have thought @Estro Felino woud know that.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There is no genocide in Donbass -- but there is much conflict. It is a part of the Ukraine that many within would like to be part of Russia, and are fighting towards that end. But should we be surprised that the Ukrainians of Donbass would prefer to remain within the Ukraine, and are therefore fighting back? Of course not!

In any case, the word genocide is being ridiculously mis-used in this instance, since even if Russians are a majority within fhe region of Donbass, nobody is trying to eliminate all Russians, everywhere. But "genocide" has been horribly misused for political purposes ever since it was coined by lawyer Raphael Lemkin in 1944. And I would have thought @Estro Felino woud know that.
Putin says your post is fake news.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
There is no genocide in Donbass -- but there is much conflict. It is a part of the Ukraine that many within would like to be part of Russia, and are fighting towards that end. But should we be surprised that the Ukrainians of Donbass would prefer to remain within the Ukraine, and are therefore fighting back? Of course not!
We are speaking of persecutions before 2022
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
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If you recall, Obama and Biden let Putin take Crimea. This was the test run. Putin behaved during Trump, since Trump never signed on to Democrats legal scams. Putin had to wait for a Democrat, like Biden, since he and his peers did not refuse or resist invasion of Crimea. Biden is hesitant to act, since those involved expected the fall of Ukraine to occur faster than it it. The plan is not going ad planned. It is starting to look like Biden can no longer stall without drawing suspicion. But is falling short of fully assisting Ukraine to win; third stage of stall.
Obama couldn't stop Putin from doing anything. No one can. Putin listens to Putin. Even the consequences Russia is facing now is not enough to change his mind. The only thing that could have been done was allow Ukraine to be a NATO member, but as we recall they had to resolve their corruption first, and Zelenskyy being elected was a good first step. They just ran out of time.

Obama and Biden have had excellent advisors and the USA is doing what it can as a non-Europe member. The USA needs to be very careful. I'm not sure what more you want. I'm not sure how aware you are of our involvement. We are giving Ukraine a lot of intel that has allowed Ukraine to be more tactical.

I think Zelenskyy should have prepared a bit more in the month before the invasion, that was his only real mistake. If you recall he consistently doubted Putin would invade.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Obama couldn't stop Putin from doing anything. No one can. Putin listens to Putin. Even the consequences Russia is facing now is not enough to change his mind. The only thing that could have been done was allow Ukraine to be a NATO member, but as we recall they had to resolve their corruption first, and Zelenskyy being elected was a good first step. They just ran out of time.

Obama and Biden have had excellent advisors and the USA is doing what it can as a non-Europe member. The USA needs to be very careful. I'm not sure what more you want. I'm not sure how aware you are of our involvement. We are giving Ukraine a lot of intel that has allowed Ukraine to be more tactical.

I think Zelenskyy should have prepared a bit more in the month before the invasion, that was his only real mistake. If you recall he consistently doubted Putin would invade.
I agree with most of this. It's ridiculous to whine now about Crimea, when nobody at the time kicked up that much of a fuss. It's just 20:20 hindsight, by people trying to make partisan capital out of this for US domestic politics. (a lot of it is distraction, since Trump was and is a great admirer of Putin.)

But regarding Zelensky, I'm not sure whether he really misjudged Russia's intentions. It looks to me as if he wanted to keep Ukraine running normally for as long as he could. As far as military preparation goes, it looks as if he and his armed forces were far from being caught napping.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Now he is seemingly going after the Russians as well, if they are against the war or lean towards the west.


Either he is completely disconnected from reality or he is becoming extremely frustrated and desperate as I see it.

Being in his position I could see how that could happen. The war in Ukraine doesn't exactly go well, given that he now have to bomb civilians. The "damn" Ukrainians are as united as ever and doesn't give up. A lot of Russians don't like the war, their country is getting sanctions like crazy. All the oligarchs he have bought over the years are also starting to get worried because they are losing their money and properties. I don't think he have any plan for how the exist strategy for Ukraine is going to be as he have to send in so many soldiers to maintain order. Given how these people like Putin operate, I doubt he has any real friends, which he haven't bought or are scare of him and his threats.

And most of all, I think he is starting to realize that he screwed up not just a little, but big time and that he might actually start to worry about his own future as dictator and what will happen to him. And therefore he lash out at the Russians to get those that support him to start bully those that don't and divide people, sort of the same tactic that Hitler used with the Jews, getting people that support him to go after those that don't, and unite them in a common cause.
"If you're not for me, you are against me." - is a tactic that can generate a lot of enemies.
 
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