Putin using Hitler's tactics

[sun rise]

Behind a paywall so I've excerpted the key points:

Putin’s attack on Ukraine echoes Hitler’s takeover of Czechoslovakia

By 1939, parts of Czechoslovakia had already been carved off and taken over by Nazi Germany, which claimed that millions of ethnic Germans were being persecuted there.
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“This is all truly dictated by our national interests and dictated by care for the future of our country,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday after the Russian assault began.

Putin on Monday claimed pro-Russian residents of Ukraine faced “genocide.”

“The killing of civilians … the abuse of people, including children, women and the elderly, continues unabated,” he said. “There is no end in sight.”
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“I must also declare before the German people that in the Sudeten German problem my patience is now at an end,” Hitler said on Sept. 26, 1938. Czechoslovakia must “give the Germans their freedom, or we will get this freedom for ourselves.”
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“It is the last territorial claim which I have to make in Europe,” Hitler said. Within six months, he took the rest of Czechoslovakia, and on Sept. 1, 1939, he attacked Poland, starting World War II.
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In 2014, Russia seized the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine, with Putin saying, “In people’s hearts and minds, Crimea has always been an inseparable part of Russia.”
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“So it’s the same playbook,” Zakheim said. “When [Hitler] bit off the Sudetenland, his argument was: ‘These people don’t want to be part of Czechoslovakia. They’re Germans.’ Putin’s saying the same thing about these people in Donetsk and Luhansk: ‘They don’t want to be part of Ukraine. They’re Russians.’ Same exact argument.”
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“Hitler wanted to take over all of Europe,” Zakheim said. “Putin … wants to restore Czarist Russia, the Russian empire. It’s a threat in particular to Finland, which was part of the Russian empire, to the Baltic states, which were part of the Russian empire, and to Poland, which was part of the Russian empire.”
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[Twilight Hue]

Behind a paywall so I've excerpted the key points:

Putin’s attack on Ukraine echoes Hitler’s takeover of Czechoslovakia

By 1939, parts of Czechoslovakia had already been carved off and taken over by Nazi Germany, which claimed that millions of ethnic Germans were being persecuted there.
...
“This is all truly dictated by our national interests and dictated by care for the future of our country,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday after the Russian assault began.

Putin on Monday claimed pro-Russian residents of Ukraine faced “genocide.”

“The killing of civilians … the abuse of people, including children, women and the elderly, continues unabated,” he said. “There is no end in sight.”
...

“I must also declare before the German people that in the Sudeten German problem my patience is now at an end,” Hitler said on Sept. 26, 1938. Czechoslovakia must “give the Germans their freedom, or we will get this freedom for ourselves.”
...
“It is the last territorial claim which I have to make in Europe,” Hitler said. Within six months, he took the rest of Czechoslovakia, and on Sept. 1, 1939, he attacked Poland, starting World War II.
...
In 2014, Russia seized the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine, with Putin saying, “In people’s hearts and minds, Crimea has always been an inseparable part of Russia.”
...
“So it’s the same playbook,” Zakheim said. “When [Hitler] bit off the Sudetenland, his argument was: ‘These people don’t want to be part of Czechoslovakia. They’re Germans.’ Putin’s saying the same thing about these people in Donetsk and Luhansk: ‘They don’t want to be part of Ukraine. They’re Russians.’ Same exact argument.”
...
“Hitler wanted to take over all of Europe,” Zakheim said. “Putin … wants to restore Czarist Russia, the Russian empire. It’s a threat in particular to Finland, which was part of the Russian empire, to the Baltic states, which were part of the Russian empire, and to Poland, which was part of the Russian empire.”
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United States used to belong to Native American Nations.

It's clearly hypothetical but I wonder what the attitude would be for those who want to re acquiesce what was lost in the past.

Just a thought experiment.

 

[Kooky]

It really doesn't.

 

[Kooky]

It's clearly hypothetical but I wonder what the attitude would be for those who want to re acquiesce what was lost in the past.

MAGA

 

[Ponder This]

Behind a paywall so I've excerpted the key points:

Putin’s attack on Ukraine echoes Hitler’s takeover of Czechoslovakia

By 1939, parts of Czechoslovakia had already been carved off and taken over by Nazi Germany, which claimed that millions of ethnic Germans were being persecuted there.
...
“This is all truly dictated by our national interests and dictated by care for the future of our country,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday after the Russian assault began.

Putin on Monday claimed pro-Russian residents of Ukraine faced “genocide.”

“The killing of civilians … the abuse of people, including children, women and the elderly, continues unabated,” he said. “There is no end in sight.”
...

“I must also declare before the German people that in the Sudeten German problem my patience is now at an end,” Hitler said on Sept. 26, 1938. Czechoslovakia must “give the Germans their freedom, or we will get this freedom for ourselves.”
...
“It is the last territorial claim which I have to make in Europe,” Hitler said. Within six months, he took the rest of Czechoslovakia, and on Sept. 1, 1939, he attacked Poland, starting World War II.
...
In 2014, Russia seized the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine, with Putin saying, “In people’s hearts and minds, Crimea has always been an inseparable part of Russia.”
...
“So it’s the same playbook,” Zakheim said. “When [Hitler] bit off the Sudetenland, his argument was: ‘These people don’t want to be part of Czechoslovakia. They’re Germans.’ Putin’s saying the same thing about these people in Donetsk and Luhansk: ‘They don’t want to be part of Ukraine. They’re Russians.’ Same exact argument.”
...
“Hitler wanted to take over all of Europe,” Zakheim said. “Putin … wants to restore Czarist Russia, the Russian empire. It’s a threat in particular to Finland, which was part of the Russian empire, to the Baltic states, which were part of the Russian empire, and to Poland, which was part of the Russian empire.”
...

Putin has the audacity to claim that he is invading Ukraine to demilitarize and denazify, when it is clearly Russia that has built up military forces for the purpose of an invasion. Zelensky, the President of Ukraine, is an outspoken Jew decended from Holocaust survivors.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Putin using Hitler's tactics for sure. But let's not forget that Hitler had deadly enemies in his own general staff. Recall Operation Valkyrie, one of several attempts on Hitler's life.

 

[Twilight Hue]

MAGA

I think in Putins case it's MUSSRGA.

That's a lot of words for a ball cap.

 

[exchemist]

Behind a paywall so I've excerpted the key points:

Putin’s attack on Ukraine echoes Hitler’s takeover of Czechoslovakia

By 1939, parts of Czechoslovakia had already been carved off and taken over by Nazi Germany, which claimed that millions of ethnic Germans were being persecuted there.
...
“This is all truly dictated by our national interests and dictated by care for the future of our country,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday after the Russian assault began.

Putin on Monday claimed pro-Russian residents of Ukraine faced “genocide.”

“The killing of civilians … the abuse of people, including children, women and the elderly, continues unabated,” he said. “There is no end in sight.”
...

“I must also declare before the German people that in the Sudeten German problem my patience is now at an end,” Hitler said on Sept. 26, 1938. Czechoslovakia must “give the Germans their freedom, or we will get this freedom for ourselves.”
...
“It is the last territorial claim which I have to make in Europe,” Hitler said. Within six months, he took the rest of Czechoslovakia, and on Sept. 1, 1939, he attacked Poland, starting World War II.
...
In 2014, Russia seized the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine, with Putin saying, “In people’s hearts and minds, Crimea has always been an inseparable part of Russia.”
...
“So it’s the same playbook,” Zakheim said. “When [Hitler] bit off the Sudetenland, his argument was: ‘These people don’t want to be part of Czechoslovakia. They’re Germans.’ Putin’s saying the same thing about these people in Donetsk and Luhansk: ‘They don’t want to be part of Ukraine. They’re Russians.’ Same exact argument.”
...
“Hitler wanted to take over all of Europe,” Zakheim said. “Putin … wants to restore Czarist Russia, the Russian empire. It’s a threat in particular to Finland, which was part of the Russian empire, to the Baltic states, which were part of the Russian empire, and to Poland, which was part of the Russian empire.”
...

Yes, it's an ancient strategy. The United States used it to take over Tejas, didn't they?

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think someone missed out on giving him a Christmas present of the tome, How To Win Friends and Influence People by Carnegie.

 

[Vee]

I think someone missed out on giving him a Christmas present of the tome, How To Win Friends and Influence People by Carnegie.

Fabulous book

 

[amorphous_constellation]

well from what I'm hearing, the russians are actually kind of losing. As in, the tanks are running of gas, there may be low moral, and it looks like they are doing things like miscalculating paratrooper drops, with those poor souls being deployed to freeze in the ocean.

However, what does putin do if the current tactics aren't working? That's what frightens me. It seems like they started this, wanting to be somewhat surgical. Well if that doesn't work and there are flusters, does he see the light and stand down? Or not?

And if there actually is extreme social instability about to hit russia, what writhing might be caused with that, what is the outcome? That isn't coming into a state of liberal peace, through liberal peace? It is hard to see into the fog of such a situation

 

[Wildswanderer]

well from what I'm hearing, the russians are actually kind of losing. As in, the tanks are running of gas, there may be low moral, and it looks like they are doing things like miscalculating paratrooper drops, with those poor souls being deployed to freeze in the ocean.

However, what does putin do if the current tactics aren't working? That's what frightens me. It seems like they started this, wanting to be somewhat surgical. Well if that doesn't work and there are flusters, does he see the light and stand down? Or not?

I think perhaps a lot of the Russian soldiers don't want this war. I was listening to someone with lots of friends in Russia and Ukraine and a lot of people over there even have family in both places a lot of times. Who wants to kill thier own relatives just to appease the guy in power? I can see how defending your country you'd be a lot more motivated than invading a place you don't have any personal grudges against.

 

[sun rise]

United States used to belong to Native American Nations.

It's clearly hypothetical but I wonder what the attitude would be for those who want to re acquiesce what was lost in the past.

Just a thought experiment.

It's time for people to forget a good chunk of the past.Spain used to belong to Islam as did a good chunk of Eastern Europe. And Jerusalem used to be controlled by Christians. Or perhaps the descendants of the Mongols could complain about the loss of their empire. And so it goes on and on and on.

 

[sun rise]

what does putin do if the current tactics aren't working?

See my thread entitled DEFCON 2/thermobaric weapons etc. Termobaric weapons would trigger a most serious escalation just short of nuclear war if one was detonated in a major Ukraine city especially the capital.

 

[Kooky]

It's funny, when people compared George W. Bush or Donald Trump to Hitler, people were outraged over it.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

It's time for people to forget a good chunk of the past.Spain used to belong to Islam as did a good chunk of Eastern Europe. And Jerusalem used to be controlled by Christians. Or perhaps the descendants of the Mongols could complain about the loss of their empire. And so it goes on and on and on.

With all due respect, sun rise, this "get over it" mentality sucks, and you can trust me when I say that it doesn't work. It is a proven fact that Native Americans today suffer from the psychological effects of Intergenerational Trauma and Historical Trauma. They also suffer from PTSD. Furthermore, the suicide rate among native youth is the highest in the country. FYI, I addressed these facts a few weeks ago in a thread about thousands of Native American children who were stolen, and as I shared, I am one of these children.

Native Children Have the Same Rate of PTSD as Combat Veterans

The Psychological Impact of Historical Trauma On the Native American People

Suicide Rates Among Native American Adolescents Have Reached 'Crisis Level': CDC

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder and Symptoms among American Indians and Alaska Natives

Speaking as a proud descendant of the Cherokee and the Choctaw, I can guarantee you that I won't sit back and allow the atrocities committed against my ancestors be forgotten or erased from history because hearing about it makes some non-Indigenous people feel uncomfortable. I can also guarantee you that I'm not the only descendant of Native Americans who feels the same way.

 

[Wandering Monk]

It's time for people to forget a good chunk of the past.Spain used to belong to Islam as did a good chunk of Eastern Europe. And Jerusalem used to be controlled by Christians. Or perhaps the descendants of the Mongols could complain about the loss of their empire. And so it goes on and on and on.

And Alaska used to be Russian territory.

 

[Kooky]

It's time for people to forget a good chunk of the past.Spain used to belong to Islam as did a good chunk of Eastern Europe. And Jerusalem used to be controlled by Christians. Or perhaps the descendants of the Mongols could complain about the loss of their empire. And so it goes on and on and on.

So Jews should simply forget about Israel and move on... right?

Were the citizens of Hong Kong wrong to protest against their new Chinese overlords?
Should the people of Kurdistan stop advocating for an independent country?

This is one of those points that sounds perfectly reasonable in the abstract, but falls apart when we examine the issue in detail. Obviously there is a limit to how badly people ought to pine for a past that probably wasn't that great to begin with - but, equally, trying to silence talks of past injustice doesn't make the long term consequences of these injustices go away, as @Sgt. Pepper pointed out already so eloquently.

And Alaska used to be Russian territory.

More importantly, it used to be the territory of the native Alaskans.

 

[Wandering Monk]

So Jews should simply forget about Israel and move on... right?

Were the citizens of Hong Kong wrong to protest against their new Chinese overlords?
Should the people of Kurdistan stop advocating for an independent country?

This is one of those points that sounds perfectly reasonable in the abstract, but falls apart when we examine the issue in detail. Obviously there is a limit to how badly people ought to pine for a past that probably wasn't that great to begin with - but, equally, trying to silence talks of past injustice doesn't make the long term consequences of these injustices go away, as @Sgt. Pepper pointed out already so eloquently.


More importantly, it used to be the territory of the native Alaskans.

Yeah, mastering the obvious today?

 

[Twilight Hue]

And Alaska used to be Russian territory.

So was Hawaii. Technically anyways since it was once allied with Russia.


We bought them at a Russian garage sale.