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Putin won't run for president

Why Putin said so

  • Because he really respects (LMAO) the rules of limited time for presidency

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Because he has someone in mind for presidency who will do as he says

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Because he always lies as a rule and will actually become president again

    Votes: 4 57.1%

  • Total voters
    7

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Put yourself in the shoes of the Russian man in the street. He constantly sees and hears how his country is coming under attack everyday by the 'west'-along with its president and he experiences the effects of sanctions inflicted by Trump. If I were that man I would also feel aggrieved by the 'west' and get behind the man who is the 'west's' number 1 target. Simple psychology.
What makes you think an average Russian man or woman thinks that way?
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
The problems with the Russian economy have not been helped by American sanctions-something largely outside of the control of Putin. As far as sociological and cultural decline is concerned I fail to see how you can base any judgement on these things as they cannot be measured or quantified. If the population felt that their well being was suffering under Putin then his support would have declined, not increased. You are simply parroting what you have read in the 'western' elite controlled media.
The populations' well being as well as their preferences sociologically and culturally can be / always are being measured.

No the sanctions don't help - that's the point (you kill our people - we won't help you)

His support has been declining all along. Investigations show that.
 
What makes you think an average Russian man or woman thinks that way?
It is reflected in the election results. If it were not so then his support would decline, not increase. I also spend a great deal of time following Russian media. Unlike western politicians such as May and Trump he is not ridiculed generally by the masses. In fact unlike his counterparts in the 'west' he is generally loved-a very rare thing for a politician. It is unknown in the 'west' because the people realise that their leaders are following an agenda imposed by the elite rather than putting their interests first.
Any people which feels itself 'under siege' has a tendency to support its leaders and institutions, to provide a united front against the aggressor which in this case is Trump and the rest of the 'west'.
 
The populations' well being as well as their preferences sociologically and culturally can be / always are being measured.

No the sanctions don't help - that's the point (you kill our people - we won't help you)

His support has been declining all along. Investigations show that.
Show me the evidence for the measuring of the sociological and cultural well being of the peoples of Russia! You can't can you? So why do you keep parroting that line?
Also I fail to see how you can possibly say that "his support has been declining all along." Even the western media acknowledge that he is now more popular than ever before. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43452449
I don't understand your penultimate sentence. What "people" being "killed" are you referring to please?
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
He has said before that he doesn't want to run again, Russia has a two consecutive term limit so without changing the law he can't do it either. He might stick around as prime minister after these six years are over, like he did before. Then, if he wanted to run again he would be around 77 years old.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
It is reflected in the election results. If it were not so then his support would decline, not increase. I also spend a great deal of time following Russian media. Unlike western politicians such as May and Trump he is not ridiculed generally by the masses. In fact unlike his counterparts in the 'west' he is generally loved-a very rare thing for a politician. It is unknown in the 'west' because the people realise that their leaders are following an agenda imposed by the elite rather than putting their interests first.
Any people which feels itself 'under siege' has a tendency to support its leaders and institutions, to provide a united front against the aggressor which in this case is Trump and the rest of the 'west'.
What makes you think it is reflected in the election results?
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Show me the evidence for the measuring of the sociological and cultural well being of the peoples of Russia! You can't can you? So why do you keep parroting that line?
Also I fail to see how you can possibly say that "his support has been declining all along." Even the western media acknowledge that he is now more popular than ever before. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43452449
I don't understand your penultimate sentence. What "people" being "killed" are you referring to please?
I can't bother with evidence - I'm merely having a conversation.

All investigating with any credibility prove against his popularity.
 
I can't bother with evidence - I'm merely having a conversation.

All investigating with any credibility prove against his popularity.
Then if you "can't bother with evidence" then your claims are entirely baseless, mere anti-Putin propaganda.
Again despite intimating that you have no/can't find any evidence you still parrot the lie that his popularity is declining. Have you ever thought about getting a job working for a 'western' newspaper? You would do very well for they make things up to.
 
He has said before that he doesn't want to run again, Russia has a two consecutive term limit so without changing the law he can't do it either. He might stick around as prime minister after these six years are over, like he did before. Then, if he wanted to run again he would be around 77 years old.
He would be far too old. Hopefully someone else will be able to continue his work in making Russia great again.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Then if you "can't bother with evidence" then your claims are entirely baseless, mere anti-Putin propaganda
that doesn't really make sense.
Again despite intimating that you have no/can't find any evidence you still parrot the lie that his popularity is declining.
That's not what you asked evidence for - and just as well you can offer evidence to the other direction.

Have you ever thought about getting a job working for a 'western' newspaper?
I have considered that out of love for writing but decided against it as I find the job isn't very creative and is therefore waste of time for me.
 
that doesn't really make sense. That's not what you asked evidence for - and just as well you can offer evidence to the other direction.

I have considered that out of love for writing but decided against it as I find the job isn't very creative and is therefore waste of time for me.
You offer no evidence to support your baseless contention that Putin's popularity is declining (something no doubt that you have read in the 'western' media-and subsequently believe) but by contrast I have provided you with evidence that his popularity is actually growing (much to the chagrin of the 'west').
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Put yourself in the shoes of the Russian man in the street. He constantly sees and hears how his country is coming under attack everyday by the 'west'-along with its president and he experiences the effects of sanctions inflicted by Trump. If I were that man I would also feel aggrieved by the 'west' and get behind the man who is the 'west's' number 1 target. Simple psychology.

Austria, Italy, Greece , Serbia love Russia, thanks to Putin.
Sanctions are a tyrannical action and must be lifted at once
 
Austria, Italy, Greece , Serbia love Russia, thanks to Putin.
Sanctions are a tyrannical action and must be lifted at once
Indeed I believe also that the sanctions are illegal. The USA breaks the law in many ways everyday of the week with impunity. Its sanctions are a form of terrorism and warfare and must be opposed.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
You offer no evidence to support your baseless contention
Expressing a simple thing on a complicated way does not make you seem smarter - on the contrary. Yet.that still doesn't make sense.
that Putin's popularity is declining (something no doubt that you have read in the 'western' media-and subsequently believe) but by contrast I have provided you with evidence that his popularity is actually growing (much to the chagrin of the 'west').
You have not.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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Well said. Unlike practically all 'western' leaders he genuinely strives to serve his people and has a vision for the direction that his country should take in the future. Because he will not grovel at the feet of the American behemoth he has been demonised in the western media which is merely a mouthpiece for the elite which owns and controls the media and selects western 'leaders' who are their mere puppets.
Drive by poster with strange homophobic sentiment blindly supports Putin while criticising the West? Whodathunkit?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Indeed I believe also that the sanctions are illegal. The USA breaks the law in many ways everyday of the week with impunity. Its sanctions are a form of terrorism and warfare and must be opposed.
You know what else is illegal? Chemical weapon use, shooting down civilian airliners and wars of annexation.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Economically, culturally, sociologically - By reputation, well being of its population and by the consant slipping away of its possibilities of resisting the decline and rising for a change.

Russians are perennial survivors. They've endured far worse than anything they're experiencing now. Throughout their history, they've been invaded countless times, which is why they've always been somewhat guarded and wary. They've lived through tyranny, famine, deprivation, civil war, uprisings, world wars. They haven't sunk yet.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Russians are perennial survivors. They've endured far worse than anything they're experiencing now. Throughout their history, they've been invaded countless times, which is why they've always been somewhat guarded and wary. They've lived through tyranny, famine, deprivation, civil war, uprisings, world wars. They haven't sunk yet.
You know they too live about 70 years if they're lucky?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
The problems with the Russian economy have not been helped by American sanctions-something largely outside of the control of Putin. As far as sociological and cultural decline is concerned I fail to see how you can base any judgement on these things as they cannot be measured or quantified. If the population felt that their well being was suffering under Putin then his support would have declined, not increased. You are simply parroting what you have read in the 'western' elite controlled media.

Outside the control of Putin?!

He brought that on Russia himself, by invading a sovereign state and annexing part of it. I suppose you think Hitler couldn't help himself annexing the Sudetenland or invading Poland.
 
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