chinu
chinu
Just Google this matter and see.
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Q: for the one who uses the quotes from holy books/texts as an evidence of truth ?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Considering: As i have heard, mostly all the major holy texts of this world such as Quran, Bible, Gita, GGS, Vedas, Purans etc.. has been edited by the people thereafter. Here's my question for the people who uses quotes from these holy text as an evidences of truth.
How will they prove that the quotes which they are using as an evidence of truth has not been edited by the people thereafter ?
Either they should give any satisfactory answer, or they should stop increasing the weight of their sayings by using such quotes that are edited.
Quran has not been changed since it was revealed on Muhammad; there has not been editing of Quran; nobody will do it.
chinu, that is not what Buddhism is about. In fact, Buddha warned that conjecture about the world and its origins would lead to madness and vexation. (Which would count as a realization in and of itself.That's all good, but you haven't knowed how the whole world that you see all you was created, or who you truely are, or God, have you ? Or you might be thinking that these edited scriptures can lead you to answer/realizeation to these questions one day, But for the time being you are not yet.
-source- {LOL, I'm posting scriptures as evidence! Neener-neener-neener! }
McBell
Unbound
Sad that you know so little about the Koran.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please inform me what you know about Quran.
I am a good listener. I am an ordinary man in the street without any claims to be a scholar or a pious man.
Thanks and regards
chinu
chinu
All you have to do is, Just google this matter and see, You will find lots of such debates upon this matter.
Me Myself
Back to my username
What do you mean by THEY WORK ?
Have you got God, yet ? or
Have you realized Truth, yet ?
Have you got enlightrnment, yet ?
Have you realized how all this world was created, yet ?
Have you got Moksha/Salvation etc, yet ?
If no, than there's no meaning of saying, they work, or worked, YET.
They help reduce suffering.
chinu
chinu
Just reduce, its not the End of sufferings.They help reduce suffering.
Or it seems to reaching the End, But not the End.
One word for you: impermanence.Just reduce, its not the End of sufferings.
Or it seems to reaching the End, But not the End.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Considering: As i have heard, mostly all the major holy texts of this world such as Quran, Bible, Gita, GGS, Vedas, Purans etc.. has been edited by the people thereafter. Here's my question for the people who uses quotes from these holy text as an evidences of truth.
How will they prove that the quotes which they are using as an evidence of truth has not been edited by the people thereafter ?
Either they should give any satisfactory answer, or they should stop increasing the weight of their sayings by using such quotes that are edited.
the bible has enough evidence to support the conclusion that it has not been severely edited. There are a few places where certain edits were made and these have been removed from the main text of our current bibles.
I believe when we quote from the bible, the quote is based on Gods views and opinions, not mans.
chinu
chinu
Oye oye oye, thanks for helping my english
chinu
chinu
You mean the edit stuff was edit again ? Now, if i cannot trust the stuff which is edited once, than how can i trust the stuff which is edited twice.
If only, hope they would have thought this before editing it
lol. The Pali word is anicca, if that is helpful. It is one of the four seals/three marks of existence of Buddhism.Oye oye oye, thanks for helping my english
chinu
chinu
May be, that may helpful for "Me Myself"
Anyways, thanks for helping the debate, Fire.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
You mean the edit stuff was edit again ? Now, if i cannot trust the stuff which is edited once, than how can i trust the stuff which is edited twice.
Do you know just how many ancient manuscripts exist? Do you know how many different languages they exist in?
When you learn these facts you will come to realise that there is a very long paper trail available which researchers use to establish to correct text. You are not talking about a book only available through penguin publishing....people cannot get away with changing the meaning of the text because the older manuscripts can be examined and they can even examine them in different languages to see what, if any, change had been made to meaning of the text.
If only, hope they would have thought this before editing it
i dont think you've thought this through very well
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
The Qur'an was orally memorized and afterwards written down. Any inconsistencies by people who also could have memorized it would have been dully noted and it was which lead to the diacritic markings.
The Qur'an has been preserved from most corruption although I would not say all
The Qur'an has been preserved from most corruption although I would not say all
Me Myself
Back to my username
Several problems with that.
First, they will find stuff depending on the oldest manuscripts they find.
Second, I would assume your bible includes stuff that isnt in e oldest manuscripts.
For example, does your bible include the scene with the stoning of the adulterer and who is without sin? Does it include a resurrection?
Because those two things for example werent in the oldest bibles found so far. We know them to be later additions..
Also, some things in the bible are just plainly obvius Jesus never said, like e dialogo about being born-again/born-from-spirit , which is rooted on a double meaning existing in greek language, not on Jesus language.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
there never was an 'original' Quran. Mohammad dictated verses to various people who wrote it down in various ways...
the Quran which is available today is only 1 of those various qurans... the rest were ordered to be destroyed by Uthman.
Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 510, pp. 478-479; book 61 It is written in the history of Islam that Uthman had all the copies of the Quran collected and burnt....he then had a new Quran written up based on how he himself wanted it to be heard, which is the one in use today.
So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. ..."
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I know the history of the Qur'an nor did I claim there was an original Qur'an. There is an "Oldest Qur'an" traced to Uthman. That is about it. Also I would not use the word dictation as it can be highly inaccurate since it is associated with the creation of tafsir
McBell
Unbound
And yet we see just that.
Take the newly revised JW version of the Bible for example...