Question about a new experience

[Jeremiah Ames]

It was not dark outside or in the room because when i did get the sight back it was sunlight in the room. It was not only not feeling the body, before i got the sight back it was only my hearing and the knowing of being awake that was there, no other feelings or sensations

But I’m wondering what was visible before you got your sight back?

 

[Spirit of Light]

But I’m wondering what was visible before you got your sight back?

Nothing was visible. it was like i was not there, but in the same time i knew i was.
I could think but i could not feel body including my head, but i could hear (cars on a road outside)
Actually it was very peaceful and not frightening at all

 

[Spirit of Light]

In a way it is similar to when i do meditation because then too everything in the physical world do disapear, and the last to disapear is the hearing

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Nothing was visible. it was like i was not there, but in the same time i knew i was.
I could think but i could not feel body including my head, but i could hear (cars on a road outside)
Actually it was very peaceful and not frightening at all

That’s very interesting.

And the fact that you could hear your surroundings is even more so.

If you eventually get some idea what it was all about, please let us know.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That’s very interesting.

And the fact that you could hear your surroundings is even more so.

If you eventually get some idea what it was all about, please let us know.

I will let you know

 

[Earthling]

In sleep paralysis, one cannot move; one cannot speak. While this may have been a part of his experience, you assume this rather than having all of the facts.

Even if this was the case, it is not normal in sleep paralysis to have no vision and not be able to feel your body. Sensation is still present; one just cannot move.

To diagnose someone based on assumptions with a medical degree is foolhardy at best. To do so without a degree is just dangerous.

I've had sleep issues since I was 18 years old, and it isn't always easy to distinguish the line between being asleep and being awake. To me, being asleep and awake at the same time caused some interesting problems. Problems not so easy to place neatly in any specific category like "I was awake" or "I was asleep."

I hardly think my uneducated speculation regarding a brief description of a morning experience would constitute anything remotely resembling a "diagnosis" of any type.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I've had sleep issues since I was 18 years old, and it isn't always easy to distinguish the line between being asleep and being awake. To me, being asleep and awake at the same time caused some interesting problems. Problems not so easy to place neatly in any specific category like "I was awake" or "I was asleep."

I hardly think my uneducated speculation regarding a brief description of a morning experience would constitute anything remotely resembling a "diagnosis" of any type.

Your uneducated speculation may dissuade someone from getting necessary medical attention.

 

[Earthling]

Your uneducated speculation may dissuade someone from getting necessary medical attention.

For what? Speaking of diagnosis. It seems to me that you've diagnosed sleep paralysis whereas what I did was said "That sounds like this." Which . . . hell, sleep paralysis is just the normal sleep state. When you're dreaming you can't start running or scream or see in real life, that is, outside of sleep.

Of course, sleep paralysis actually implies more the same. It "feels like . . ."

Anyway, discussing the possibilities wouldn't dissuade medical attention but "diagnosis" would.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Speaking of diagnosis. It seems to me that you've diagnosed sleep paralysis...

Are we reading the same thread?

I diagnosed nothing. Another post in this thread stated it was sleep paralysis, and you, while not using the term directly, described the symptoms of sleep paralysis and attributed the OP's experience to this condition.

I have been the one stating all along that the symptoms described in the OP are not the symptoms of sleep paralysis.

Anyway, discussing the possibilities wouldn't dissuade medical attention but "diagnosis" would.

Again with the assumptions. You have absolutely no way of knowing this for certain.

 

[Thief]

didn't see the term....pavor nocturnum

not sleep paralysis per se

but would explain being 'awake'
during an unusual episode

 

[blü 2]

Nothing was visible. it was like i was not there, but in the same time i knew i was.
I could think but i could not feel body including my head, but i could hear (cars on a road outside)
Actually it was very peaceful and not frightening at all

I suspect I'm not following what you're saying.

If I couldn't feel my body including my head, that would mean I had complete deprivation of the sense of touch, no orientation in space, no awareness of my weight on the bed, or the blankets over me, nothing to tell me up or down, no tongue in my mouth.

And that would scare the hell out of me.

And opening my eyes and getting zero input, not even darkness, would have the same effect.

If that were me, I wouldn't be writing this, I'd be my medical practitioner's waiting room.

What am I missing?

 

[Jumi]

This morning i had an experience i have not had before.

I waked up as normal, but the difference was that i did not feel my body and my vision was not there.
I knew i was awake but for some time (i dont know for how long) i was in this state where no feeling of body and no sight.

Have anyone a answer or maybe a similar experience?

Yes. You can get states like this when you meditate. If you were not meditating person then a doctor would be the right address. As my neurologist said long ago, if you have control over it, it's no problem no matter how strange it is. People experience all sorts of things, no matter how irregular it may seem, that are perfectly normal... just rare. I was a physicalist atheist at that time and thought I'd perhaps broken something by meditating kind of hilarious looking back at it, but that's the kind of expectation of society today for most things that require effort of the mind.

 

[Jumi]

If I couldn't feel my body including my head, that would mean I had complete deprivation of the sense of touch, no orientation in space, no awareness of my weight on the bed, or the blankets over me, nothing to tell me up or down, no tongue in my mouth.

Yeah, you can experience that. Even have some control over it, like when I was meditating a lot I could go to a dentist no problem without any anaesthesia.

And that would scare the hell out of me.

If it came out of nowhere and you were taught that these things don't happen and somehow were conscious, sure you'd be scared. I suspect you might experience some interesting things during night, but because it's removed from your regular experience it gets forgotten just like dreams do.

And opening my eyes and getting zero input, not even darkness, would have the same effect.

How'd you open your eyes in the state your describing? You need to wake up your body first.

If that were me, I wouldn't be writing this, I'd be my medical practitioner's waiting room.

What am I missing?

Sure, if it happened to you, it would be the right thing to do.

 

[blü 2]

Yeah, you can experience that. Even have some control over it, like when I was meditating a lot I could go to a dentist no problem without any anesthesia.

I've never experienced anything resembling that, though I use relaxation techniques with my dentist because I prefer to go without anesthetics unless ordered to.

But my question is, is that what @Amanaki is referring to?

How'd you open your eyes in the state your describing? You need to wake up your body first.

I don't know. It's part of my attempt to understand the experience that Amanaki is describing.

Sure, if it happened to you, it would be the right thing to do.

Dang sure!

 

[Jumi]

I've never experienced anything resembling that, though I use relaxation techniques with my dentist because I prefer to go without anesthetics unless ordered to.

But my question is, is that what @Amanaki is referring to?

It's not the same as relaxation technique, most people just don't go past that. @Amanaki meditates a lot, so it's natural he reach things that you (or I) don't get to. I'm not saying it's exactly same as what I've gone through. Could be something different, we can't go inside each others minds and see.

I don't know. It's part of my attempt to understand the experience that Amanaki is describing.

For you those parts don't exist at the time. And now you also know why "we" don't usually talk about experiences like this unless we know someone else is also experienced to a degree, because it's not easy to get or get things wrong. Mostly it's just guesses about drugs, illness or demons, maybe sometimes Jesus is also mentioned as what's causing it. Because for most people the room of experience isn't explored.

Dang sure!

It would be different if you were someone doing traditional meditation.

 

[blü 2]

It would be different if you were someone doing traditional meditation.

My Buddhist friend got into both meditation and Buddhism trying to control his blood pressure without upping his pill budget. He tells me it works well.

It's not wholly unknown for the mood takes me to sit still and blank out, but very usually that just bores me (and there's nothing wrong with my blood pressure) so I fear I'm not your natural-born meditator.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I suspect I'm not following what you're saying.

If I couldn't feel my body including my head, that would mean I had complete deprivation of the sense of touch, no orientation in space, no awareness of my weight on the bed, or the blankets over me, nothing to tell me up or down, no tongue in my mouth.

And that would scare the hell out of me.

And opening my eyes and getting zero input, not even darkness, would have the same effect.

If that were me, I wouldn't be writing this, I'd be my medical practitioner's waiting room.

What am I missing?

Maybe you missing the part of letting go of attachment to fear?

 

[Spirit of Light]

My Buddhist friend got into both meditation and Buddhism trying to control his blood pressure without upping his pill budget. He tells me it works well.

It's not wholly unknown for the mood takes me to sit still and blank out, but very usually that just bores me (and there's nothing wrong with my blood pressure) so I fear I'm not your natural-born meditator.

To meditate on a deeper state of consiousness it take thousand of hours of meditating and a teacher who guide you in the beginning But to meditate on a relaing level tke not many hours to master.

The control og blood pressure is only one way to have conrol over the body.
In deep meditation some monks has been messured to only 5-6 heart beat in the minute

 

[blü 2]

Maybe you missing the part of letting go of attachment to fear?

It's simply that I'm not clear what, precisely, you had either to be or not be afraid of.

To meditate on a deeper state of consiousness it take thousand of hours of meditating and a teacher who guide you in the beginning But to meditate on a relaing level tke not many hours to master.

Thanks. If I ever change my mind, I'll ask my Buddhist friend.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If you wonder what form of meditation i practice it is Vipassana meditation and main focus is the 4 jhanas.