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Question about creation in Islam

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
What order were things created in the Quran?

The stars then the planets, or Earth then the stars, or what?

Would just like some information on what order things are said in the Quran to have been created; I can't seem to find it on google (all I get are 1,000 pages about "scientific miracles").
 

LooseEnd

Member
Seems like it was earth first then stars and heavens. I don't know whether following are the correct verses. But seems like it speaks of it.

Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.

He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;


Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.


Koran 41.09 - 41.11 (Pickthal)
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
I'm confused, why can't the verses just be clear about how things were made?

What exactly does the Quran say is the order of creation, can someone break it down for me?
 

DeitySlayer

President of Chindia
Qur'an reveals in "We will show them Our Signs on the horizon and within themselves until it is clear to them that it is the truth( from God)" God points to you ,,, but it depends on you, Muhamad wasnt a philosophy to say all these things, talks about, science, economy, history, eography, society, and many other things.... if he was even a great writer, he would write something wrong ... but Quran chalanges all, to bring anothor one like it .. do it now, DO IT NOW ,, write another Quran .. strange! Muhamad is the only writer or novelist*( as u call him) chalanges all to find out at least one mistake in his book!!!!! no one (writer) dare to say that ( Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy. )

You haven't been looking very hard if you can't find any challenges against the scientific accuracy of the Qur'an. There are thousands.
 

neves

Active Member
Hi Meow Mix,

firstly It is important to note the the term "heaven" in the Quran can refer to either sky on earth or the universe at large...

Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (21:30)


Everyone is able to understand this verse in their own way...for me this describes to Big Bang perfectly... thus the material for the earth was created at the same time as the materials for stars...

but as for order of actual creation of each... I think these 3 verses are clear to understand...

Are you more difficult to create, or is the heaven that He constructed? He raised its height, and has perfected it, Its night He covers with darkness, and its forenoon He brings out (with light). And after that He spread the earth; (79: 27-30)

Again this is my own personal understanding... It seems the heavens came first and the earth is after...

If anything is confusing please let me know...
 
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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Hi Meow Mix,

firstly It is important to note the the term "heaven" in the Quran can refer to either sky on earth or the universe at large...

Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (21:30)

Everyone is able to understand this verse in their own way...for me this describes to Big Bang perfectly... thus the material for the earth was created at the same time as the materials for stars...

but as for order of actual creation of each... I think these 3 verses are clear to understand...

Are you more difficult to create, or is the heaven that He constructed? He raised its height, and has perfected it, Its night He covers with darkness, and its forenoon He brings out (with light). And after that He spread the earth; (79: 27-30)

Again this is my own personal understanding... It seems the heavens came first and the earth is after...

If anything is confusing please let me know...

Thank you, that seems to make more sense.

Does the Quran give any indication that there were 2 suns before our sun? That I would find very interesting
 

neves

Active Member
Thank you, that seems to make more sense.

Does the Quran give any indication that there were 2 suns before our sun? That I would find very interesting

not that I could recollect... maybe I don't understand the question, could you please expand...
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
not that I could recollect... maybe I don't understand the question, could you please expand...

Our sun is a 3rd generation star, meaning there were 2 stars before it. Stars go nova, then the nebula reforms into new star(s), etc. This process has happened about twice (MAYBE once, if the original star was very large), but we know now that Sol, our sun, is formed from the remnants of a previously existing star.

It would be interesting if the Quran or the Bible or any other book that's ever been said to paint an accurate picture of how the universe started would have mentioned that...
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Our sun is a 3rd generation star, meaning there were 2 stars before it. Stars go nova, then the nebula reforms into new star(s), etc. This process has happened about twice (MAYBE once, if the original star was very large), but we know now that Sol, our sun, is formed from the remnants of a previously existing star.

It would be interesting if the Quran or the Bible or any other book that's ever been said to paint an accurate picture of how the universe started would have mentioned that...

Is that the same process for forming a star like Nicole Ritchie from the remains of Lionel Ritchie?
Gosh, physics & cosmology are interesting!
 
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neves

Active Member
Our sun is a 3rd generation star, meaning there were 2 stars before it. Stars go nova, then the nebula reforms into new star(s), etc. This process has happened about twice (MAYBE once, if the original star was very large), but we know now that Sol, our sun, is formed from the remnants of a previously existing star.

It would be interesting if the Quran or the Bible or any other book that's ever been said to paint an accurate picture of how the universe started would have mentioned that...

I am not aware of the 2 other suns before our current sun being mentioned in the Quran... but it does mention about the sun and the moon dying eventually (maybe related)...

Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; then He established Himself on the Throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs explaining the Signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord. (13:2)

When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up; (81:1)


again my own interpretations that the Quran mentions that our sun has a time limit...
 

gnostic

The Lost One
neves said:
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? (21:30)

Everyone is able to understand this verse in their own way...for me this describes to Big Bang perfectly... thus the material for the earth was created at the same time as the materials for stars...

Er, no.

In science, the Big Bang occurred billions of years before the Earth was ever formed in our solar system. So, it would be mistake to assert this little passage (21:30) in the Qur'an to have anything to do with the Big Bang.

If you compare it with the Genesis, this 21:30 has more to do with the firmament (sky), the separation of the sky from the earth and water:

Genesis 1:6-8 said:
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

There is nothing special about verse 21:30, because it uses the common theme of Near Eastern myths.

In the Babylonian myth, called Enuma Elish, there was nothing but watery abyss known as Apsu (fresh water abyss). A battle between Marduk and Tiamat (salty water abyss), where the young god killed Tiamat, split her body in two, one to make land (earth) and the other half a dome of the sky, hence firmament. (The Epic of Creation, tablet 4, page 255, translated by Stephanie Dalley, in her book - Myths from Mesopotamia, Oxford World's Classics, 1989.)

The order of creation in the Enuma Elish is surprisingly similar to the Genesis, chaos or abyss first, then light, firmament, luminaries, and lastly man, before Marduk declare rest.

An even older myth, from Sumerian myth, say that Enlil took the earth, while An (heaven) took the sky. This is found in the Sumerian poem of Gilgamesh and the Netherworld:

Bilgames and the Netherworld 6-12 said:
...after the ovens of the land had been fired up with bellows,
after heaven had been parted from earth,
after the earth had been separated from heaven,

after the name of mankind had been established -
then, after the god An had taken the heavens for himself,
after the god Enlil had taken the earth for himself...

The separation of earth and heaven is nothing unusual in Middle Eastern religions.
 
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TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What order were things created in the Quran?

The stars then the planets, or Earth then the stars, or what?

Would just like some information on what order things are said in the Quran to have been created; I can't seem to find it on google (all I get are 1,000 pages about "scientific miracles").

Say: "Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? and do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds."

He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (sustenance).

Moreover, He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. (Quran 41:9-12)

The scholars said that God created earth in two days, then heavens and what in it like planets and stars in two days, then he made earth suitable for living by creating water, sand, mountains, and all other structures on earth in two days, so we have a total of six days. four for earth and two for heavens.
 
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Geber asked: “Was the universe created in an instant? It is said that it was created in 6 days?”


Imam Sadiq replied: “The universe was created, but was transformed into its present form in a very long time. In the beginning it was certainly not as it is today. The 6 days of Allah, mentioned in the Quran, are not like our 6 days. The universe came into its present form in 6 stages or 6 periods.”
 
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