Frank Goad
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Why did satan rebel?But micheal and all the other good angels didn't?
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Question about the angels in the bible
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Psalm23
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Why did satan rebel?But micheal and all the other good angels didn't?
I don’t know for sure. I would guess the good angels did not rebel because they loved God.
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Lucifer wanted to be God, so his pride to over and he become evil. something one can not be in paradiseWhy did satan rebel?But micheal and all the other good angels didn't?
dybmh
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See here from "Legends of the Jews": LinkWhy did satan rebel?But micheal and all the other good angels didn't?
In brief, Satan would not prostrate to Adam as God commanded. Satan's argument was that the angels were created from pure divinity, whereas Adam was made from dust. Satan demanded an opportunity to show the supremacy of the angels over Adam. God granted the request; when Adam succeeded instead of Satan in God's test, Satan maintained his claim of supremacy. This resulted in Satan's fall along with the horde who followed him.
Wildstar
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I still have no idea where this story of “Lucifer”, the rebellious angel came from. It is not scripture. In Islam, Iblis’s story is as close of a parallel to the above as I can draw. Iblis was made of smokeless fire and refused to prostrate himself before Adam. The story is interesting.
Because every good story needs a villain.
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Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven"
A fowl is a bird and they fly in the sky above our head, the sky is called Heaven. Firmament is a word that describes firm boundaries. The sky where oxygen exists has a boundary beyond that is outer space. Heaven is not outer space. There are other planets that have oxygen /sky so they have a heaven that is why the Bible says there are heavens, plural. A nation is also firmament because it has defined borders.
Lucifer falls in the sky, heaven. The morning is created by the Sun that is created by Nuclear Fusion. A son of Nuclear Fusion is a thermonuclear missile that looks like a star rising even in daylight when it is launched and will cause destruction when it hits Earth. A nation that did not own a nuclear missile felt weak compared to nations that did own them. But once that weak nation attains a nuclear weapon it is used against a nation considered it's enemy.
This 1st nuclear missile launched against another nation starting the final war, nuclear WW3 is called "Lucifer".
People use the word Satan, Lucifer and the Devil all as if they were the same thing when they are not. Each word has a different meaning.
Satan is a word for people that are willing to kill another person over their religious beliefs. Jesus called Abraham the Devil because Abraham lied when he told people that God gave him a bloodline covenant. Jesus said Abraham never heard the voice of God, Jesus hears God and teaches the truth, Abraham didn't..
Lucifer is the thermonuclear missile that starts World War 3, the End of Days war.
Bree
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Why did satan rebel?But micheal and all the other good angels didn't?
why does one child do drugs and end up in jail and another child from the same family goes to school, gets a good job and does well in life?
rational experiences
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The term Satan was before God. Then science said hence Satan became God.
Fake.
A term is exact only equals.
Evolution is science as the teaching.
God was evolution no status just vacuum cooling birth given to God O earth by its mother.
A mystery taught real aware men.
Satan never rebelled. A human man by men sciences rebelled against the state of God.
Satan can only be what Satan is as Satan so can't fall.
If science wanted what they claimed Satan meant then they on purpose changed the God state.
And it's about time you told the truth which you never had.
Brother to Brother men said my brother was Satan by conscious thought.
Teaching bible was the Christ consciousness. Not the Satan consciousness.
Fake.
A term is exact only equals.
Evolution is science as the teaching.
God was evolution no status just vacuum cooling birth given to God O earth by its mother.
A mystery taught real aware men.
Satan never rebelled. A human man by men sciences rebelled against the state of God.
Satan can only be what Satan is as Satan so can't fall.
If science wanted what they claimed Satan meant then they on purpose changed the God state.
And it's about time you told the truth which you never had.
Brother to Brother men said my brother was Satan by conscious thought.
Teaching bible was the Christ consciousness. Not the Satan consciousness.
cataway
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The Scriptures indicate that the creature known as Satan did not always have that name. Rather, this descriptive name was given to him because of his taking a course of opposition and resistance to God. the one becoming Satan was, when created, a perfect, righteous creature of God. Jesus said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.”Why did satan rebel?But micheal and all the other good angels didn't?
rational experiences
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The conscious review thought. Information exists advised. He never needed to seek it as it had already disturbed his mind.
Not as the body. Man's body human his own.
Not as the substance as it was a fallen star.
Not as the heavens that altered the falling star.
Not how the star ended.
A changed mans thinking ability.
It was his own. He had a choice. We were all taught he was given a choice by our spiritual father's advice. He ignored father.
He learnt the life body of a man was changed by a body of force.
He was taught.
Man was never the same he had a choice. Self control.
Instead he agreed to use force to get change and be successful. Destructive.
The lesson of man who destroyed.
Men said I can destroy the God substance by satanic yet Satan will succeed and not God.
God however still remained.
I can invent Satan..he caused Satan.
I can invent God by knowing Satan then cool it. Is only cooled Satan.
As man did not invent God.
Man only learnt how to force change.
He believes Satan will give him God. Satan never owned god.
The highest place is the natural state.
Which isn't an angel.
It's all things evolved by space voiding.
Dovid once discussed as peace. Peace is the belief you allow it to be present.
Not as the body. Man's body human his own.
Not as the substance as it was a fallen star.
Not as the heavens that altered the falling star.
Not how the star ended.
A changed mans thinking ability.
It was his own. He had a choice. We were all taught he was given a choice by our spiritual father's advice. He ignored father.
He learnt the life body of a man was changed by a body of force.
He was taught.
Man was never the same he had a choice. Self control.
Instead he agreed to use force to get change and be successful. Destructive.
The lesson of man who destroyed.
Men said I can destroy the God substance by satanic yet Satan will succeed and not God.
God however still remained.
I can invent Satan..he caused Satan.
I can invent God by knowing Satan then cool it. Is only cooled Satan.
As man did not invent God.
Man only learnt how to force change.
He believes Satan will give him God. Satan never owned god.
The highest place is the natural state.
Which isn't an angel.
It's all things evolved by space voiding.
Dovid once discussed as peace. Peace is the belief you allow it to be present.
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Jesus said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” Jesus is referencing Abraham and his sons that kill people for not believing their talking snake story and bloodline covenant lie. The Hebrew bloodline of Abraham ended with the death of Saul and his sons. David grafted himself in and Jews accepted it but it is not a bloodline rule even though they steadfastly say they vow to the covenant bloodline throne of rule of Abraham.
The religious system is based on lies, deception and murder. Jesus said Abraham never spoke with God. Jesus hears the voice of God, this Abraham did not do. Abraham rejoiced in the day his followers called sons acting like Gods with the right to kill innocent people, killed Jesus for blasphemy for speaking against Abraham.
Satan represents anyone that supports Abraham willing to kill people over their religious beliefs. Just like anyone can be an Antichrist, anyone can be a Satan.
cataway
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this is not the debate thread its 'Religions Q&A'
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There is no debate to truth, it is the answer to the question about Jesus and angels and Satan.
I described what Jesus stands for, what Jesus taught and that Jesus is not an angel and is not and never will be lower than an angel.
Jesus is the beloved Son of God.
Angels that fight and serve Kings of the Earth are not Angels of God that will never fight in a war
breaking the command of God to not kill.
Angels= messengers, that serve kings and their nations are pilots that fly fighter jets in the End of Days war.
God gives people the definition of Heaven in chapter 1 of Genesis, the place BIRDS/ FOWLS fly above your head= the sky above Earth.
Heaven is the air people breathe to stay alive but people twist the word Heaven into a fairy tale as real as the easter bunny.
Seraphim= angel= messenger is a 6 winged fighter jet like a F-35 that flies with DAS placed in the exact 3 positions described in scripture
and it is placed in 2 units each location = twain. The jet flies with DAS using it for communication and location of the enemy as it provides sight even at night
and 360 degree vision even through the bottom of the aircraft so when missiles are fired the pilot can see the brilliant light & flames of fire
right under his feet. It is a burner and a reaper. The Lord of Hosts is the commander of the air force and when he has a coal on the lips,
he passes that command to fire missiles to the angel/pilot and that pilot takes that coal in his hand and fires those missiles to reap with fire and destruction.
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Interesting but note the "horde that follows Satan" are also those intent on destroying him. The final war is thermonuclear and it is called the END of
days because no one wins it, all nations fall, destroyed by the use of thermonuclear weapons because no one can survive unstoppable, nuclear, self sustaining fission. Man created a weapon that he can not control the use of and it causes extinction of Homo Sapiens on Earth. It is the final war because no human will be left live to fight another one.
Angels of God watch the war but do not fight in it. Angels= messengers that fly that serve kings are fighter jet and attack helicopter pilots that are in service to destroy life that God created on Earth.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You are assuming that Satan is a fallen angel. This is based on Christian theology from the book of revelation. But it is not in the Tanakh (OT). In the Tanakh, angels do not have free will, and so they do not rebel. The word that is translated as angel, Malakh, simply means messenger. They are God's messengers. So the answer to your question from a Jewish standpoint is simply, it never happened.Why did satan rebel?But micheal and all the other good angels didn't?
JonSL
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Probably because he was from Jersey. Hoboken maybe, or Bayonne. Have you seen Bayonne? If you lived in Bayonne, you might want to defy God and become the source of all pain and darkness in the universe.
After all, Bayonne is pretty close anyway.
For Lucy, it is just like being home...
Why did Lucifer rebel and the other archangels did not?
I guess the answer is sin, pride, weakness...surrender to the destructive forces.
The Hindus do not believe that the universe is a battle between God and the Devil..or even a battle between good and evil.
God created the Devil. He is entirely within the realm of God's power. He can't act outside of God.
So, there is no battle.
The Devil was created to, you now, create the "engine" that drives our crazy world. There is good, there is bad, there is the struggle between the two. God created the struggles, in order that, through those struggles, we personally grow spiritually and move towards spiritual perfection.
It is like an abusive parent. And they are so abusive that you vow to treat your own kids wonderfully.
The dark inspiration, that makes us run toward the light.
And, the other reason is basically that Lucy is a friggin a&&hole.
After all, Bayonne is pretty close anyway.
For Lucy, it is just like being home...
Why did Lucifer rebel and the other archangels did not?
I guess the answer is sin, pride, weakness...surrender to the destructive forces.
The Hindus do not believe that the universe is a battle between God and the Devil..or even a battle between good and evil.
God created the Devil. He is entirely within the realm of God's power. He can't act outside of God.
So, there is no battle.
The Devil was created to, you now, create the "engine" that drives our crazy world. There is good, there is bad, there is the struggle between the two. God created the struggles, in order that, through those struggles, we personally grow spiritually and move towards spiritual perfection.
It is like an abusive parent. And they are so abusive that you vow to treat your own kids wonderfully.
The dark inspiration, that makes us run toward the light.
And, the other reason is basically that Lucy is a friggin a&&hole.