Question Concerning Views of Homosexuality

[Magic Man]

This is directed towards people who believe homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says it is.

Why do you take certain parts of the Bible as absolutely true, and take others as false or out-dated?

It's well-known that in Leviticus, it says that lying with a man as one would with a woman is an abomination, but how do you justify following that part of Leviticus while disregarding the other parts of that very section, like eating shellfish or wearing cotton-polyester blends?

I know this has been gone over before, but in another thread we were talking about whether or not those who think homosexuality is wrong actually think about it or not, and the Leviticus quote came up. I'm trying to figure out how one thinks about that specifically and comes to the conclusion that one line of Leviticus is absolutely true and the others are absolutely false.

Also, are there any other mentions of homosexuality being wrong in the Bible?

 

[Atreyu]

You may never get a valid response to this question. I highly doubt a Christian who actually follows these beliefs has good reason for consuming shrimp and bacon but not allowing homosexuals in the church.

 

[Magic Man]

I know. I'm just trying to understand how people get so upset when others say they think homosexuality is wrong because they haven't really thought much about it. That's partly why I'm curious whether there are other quotes against homosexuality in the Bible and whether they're any more useful than Leviticus.

 

[Hell's Bells]

Christianity is riddled with hypocrisy and contradiction. Evil Bible Home Page

 

[Desfox]

Romans 1:26-27
New International Version (NIV)
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
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9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11
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8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.


There you have it, God against homosexuality in the new testament.

It is important that it is in the new testament because it is the "new covenant"
established by Jesus' sacrifice.

This is important, because if it truly was only contained in the Old Testament, I would not say that Christians can have a clear Biblical stance

 

[Archangel234]

I struggle with a few christian beliefs.

If god says loves the most important thing there is and that he created humans to be what they are he gave them the possibility of homosexual feelings.

Surely its for god to judge them not other men?

 

[Skwim]

Never mind.

 

[Desfox]

I struggle with a few christian beliefs.

If god says loves the most important thing there is and that he created humans to be what they are he gave them the possibility of homosexual feelings.

Surely its for god to judge them not other men?

Well, you are touching on the issue a bit on whether people are born "homosexual"

Right now, there is no scientific evidence that genes, or other biological processes are clearly responsible for these feelings. It is a combination of genes(or temperament), environment, and experiences.

You are also touching on whether God created homosexual relationships. The answer is these relationships do not exist before sin/evil was introduced into the world, so God did not intend these relationships, and pursuing them is a choice to not follow God's commands in these areas.

You are generally correct on your statement about love. Here are some clarifications from the Christian perspective.

It is all about love, but the question is this.

Is homosexuality the correct way to demonstrate/express/carry out these emotions?

Is it physically/emotionally damaging engaging in a homosexual relationship?

Depending on how you answer these questions, then letting people engage in homosexual relationships would not be loving them, but allowing them to purposefully engage in a harmful lifestyle.

Edit:As for judging, a man cannot declare all homosexuals are going to hell, or that even one is. Only God knows the answer to this.

However, as God has told man that homosexuality is wrong, man certainly has the mandate to inform others of this and discourage them from living that lifestyle (Certainly not by waving signs that say "All **** burn in hell," that is wrong, because it is not true, and it is not loving.)

 

[Harmonious]

This is directed towards people who believe homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says it is.

Why do you take certain parts of the Bible as absolutely true, and take others as false or out-dated?

It's well-known that in Leviticus, it says that lying with a man as one would with a woman is an abomination, but how do you justify following that part of Leviticus while disregarding the other parts of that very section, like eating shellfish or wearing cotton-polyester blends?

This may surprise you, but there are Jews like me who actually live be all those laws, as best as we are able without being in Israel or having the Temple. Including not eating shellfish and not wearing blends of linen and wool. (What have you got against polyester? It wasn't invented when the Law was given...)

I know this has been gone over before, but in another thread we were talking about whether or not those who think homosexuality is wrong actually think about it or not, and the Leviticus quote came up. I'm trying to figure out how one thinks about that specifically and comes to the conclusion that one line of Leviticus is absolutely true and the others are absolutely false.

It is a not a problem Orthodox Jews have we do all the commandments we are able.

Also, are there any other mentions of homosexuality being wrong in the Bible?

I don't know. I don't go hunting for these things.

 

[mycorrhiza]

There you have it, God against homosexuality in the new testament.

It is important that it is in the new testament because it is the "new covenant"
established by Jesus' sacrifice.

This is important, because if it truly was only contained in the Old Testament, I would not say that Christians can have a clear Biblical stance

Rather Paul against homosexuality.

If it was such an important part of the Old Covenant to keep, I believe that Jesus would have spoken about it himself. If he meant to abolish the Old Laws, though, which isn't my interpretation of his words. Jesus wanted to keep the Old Laws, but reform them, and it was Paul who said that they shouldn't be kept.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Well, you are touching on the issue a bit on whether people are born "homosexual"

Right now, there is no scientific evidence that genes, or other biological processes are clearly responsible for these feelings. It is a combination of genes(or temperament), environment, and experiences.

How about listening to actual homosexuals about how they are attracted to people of the same gender? I have found myself attracted to both men and women since I was four. Problem was I was also being raised in a Catholic home that at the time was very harsh in it's view toward homosexuals. I found myself praying, begging, and hoping that my attraction for women was just confusion and not some lifelong "deviancy" that I would have to manage.

Evry time I thought I would have it managed, a gorgoeus woman just happened to sit by me in the pew or would join a church group or would join ghe choir. And there I was all over again fighting my attraction to her and questioning my value as a human being.

You are also touching on whether God created homosexual relationships. The answer is these relationships do not exist before sin/evil was introduced into the world, so God did not intend these relationships, and pursuing them is a choice to not follow God's commands in these areas.

You are generally correct on your statement about love. Here are some clarifications from the Christian perspective.

It is all about love, but the question is this.

Is homosexuality the correct way to demonstrate/express/carry out these emotions?

Is it physically/emotionally damaging engaging in a homosexual relationship?

Depending on how you answer these questions, then letting people engage in homosexual relationships would not be loving them, but allowing them to purposefully engage in a harmful lifestyle.

Edit:As for judging, a man cannot declare all homosexuals are going to hell, or that even one is. Only God knows the answer to this.

However, as God has told man that homosexuality is wrong, man certainly has the mandate to inform others of this and discourage them from living that lifestyle (Certainly not by waving signs that say "All **** burn in hell," that is wrong, because it is not true, and it is not loving.)

I think it's amazing when followers are so certain of the intentions of their chosen deity in one thing, yet balk when asked about the intention of their same chosen deity of the fate of non-believers, or in this case, homosexuals.

I am a bisexual woman. I do not have a "lifestyle" that is based on my attraction to women. I work, raise our children, care for our home, meditate, love my husband, and participate in volunteer activities as well as have fun times, date nights, family outings, and daily walks with the dog.

I take issue with being at peace with my orientation being called "choosing a sinful lifestyle". I take issue with being compared to child molestors, drunks, and liars because of who I am attracted to and who I have dated in my life. I take issue with people who feel it's their business to get all in my business by telling me what is acceptable in my bedroom and what isn't. And I take issue with people who feel it's their civic duty to vote in favor of denying rights and protection for me and my GLBTQ friends just because we're queer.

 

[McBell]

The answer is these relationships do not exist before sin/evil was introduced into the world, so God did not intend these relationships, and pursuing them is a choice to not follow God's commands in these areas.

:biglaugh:
Interesting the lengths some people will go in order to justify their gods prejudices.
:biglaugh:

Adam and Eve has nothing to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality.
Adam and Eve is a story about lack of choices.

It is all about love, but the question is this.

Is homosexuality the correct way to demonstrate/express/carry out these emotions?

Is it physically/emotionally damaging engaging in a homosexual relationship?

Depending on how you answer these questions, then letting people engage in homosexual relationships would not be loving them, but allowing them to purposefully engage in a harmful lifestyle.

Ah, so it is YOUR job to save the world from itself, right?
Interesting how you feel the need to interfere when your very own god does not...

Edit:As for judging, a man cannot declare all homosexuals are going to hell, or that even one is. Only God knows the answer to this.

However, as God has told man that homosexuality is wrong, man certainly has the mandate to inform others of this and discourage them from living that lifestyle (Certainly not by waving signs that say "All **** burn in hell," that is wrong, because it is not true, and it is not loving.)

Again, if it is such a bad thing that your all powerful god is against, why is it that your all powerful god does nothing to prevent it?

Seems to me that you have taken upon your self to "enforce" your gods rules, whilst vainly attempting to justify them.

 

[beerisit]

God doesn't like ffags and said as much to Lucifer who told Michael who passed the message onto Gabriel who told Muhammad that the bible was wrong. Wait I missed something, I'll revisit this if I can figure it out.

 

[Bob Dixon]

God doesn't like ffags and said as much to Lucifer who told Michael who passed the message onto Gabriel who told Muhammad that the bible was wrong. Wait I missed something, I'll revisit this if I can figure it out.

You missed the part when Michael told Jesus, who told Bob Dixon, who told Clint Eastwood, who told Gabriel.

On topic: Classic hypocrisy! Absolutely fantastic!
"Guys! We should follow the Bible!"
"What, all of it? It's pretty big, I don't think we can do it, man..."
"Hmm... you're right. Let's just follow the parts that fit in with our own prejudices!"
"I'm down with that, dude."

 

[beerisit]

You missed the part when Michael told Jesus, who told Bob Dixon, who told Clint Eastwood, who told Gabriel.

On topic: Classic hypocrisy! Absolutely fantastic!
"Guys! We should follow the Bible!"
"What, all of it? It's pretty big, I don't think we can do it, man..."
"Hmm... you're right. Let's just follow the parts that fit in with our own prejudices!"
"I'm down with that, dude."

Thanks Bob I knew there was more, cheers

 

[Nakosis]

How about listening to actual homosexuals about how they are attracted to people of the same gender? I have found myself attracted to both men and women since I was four.

Hmmm...

I found out I was homophobic at age four. When my cousin tried to get me to take off all my clothes and jumped in bed with him. So not my fault. I was born that way.

 

[F0uad]

I find practising homosexuality un-natural i have a question are there any creatures that are homosexuals?

 

[Carpenter Rabbi]

I find practising homosexuality un-natural i have a question are there any creatures that are homosexuals?

Plenty of 'em. There have been numerous reported cases of animals engaging in homosexual acts, willfully and intentionally.

If you Google "Gay penguins" or "Gay flamingos" there are some interesting articles. While it doesn't appear that the more popular ones are exclusively homosexual, there have been cases where the animals flat-out refused to mate with the opposite sex.

Also goats, swans, and numerous other species (around 1500 as of 1999, 500 well documented) have regular homosexual pairings. Domesticated sheep have a documented 10% "gay ram" rate, where a ram will mate exclusively with other rams, and will refuse ewes.

Then there are Bonobos, who pretty much just have sex, with any adult partner, for any reason.

There's no reason to doubt the existence of homosexuality in nature, nor to claim that it is "unnatural".

(Numbers obtained from from Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

 

[Archangel234]

I find practising homosexuality un-natural i have a question are there any creatures that are homosexuals?

A lot of animals do it, hell my guinea pigs have done it and ive had two groups of two and they both ended up doing it.

Im sure ive heard about penguins and dogs doing it too.

 

[Man of Faith]

Jesus fulfilled the law, yet he didn't erase sin from being wrong. Sexual sins, whether they be adultry, fornication, or homosexuality are still sins. In the New Testament, obeying the law was replaced with grace, yet sin is still warned against.