Question for Atheists...

[ppp]

I was not too much into science but find some of it interesting. I'm glad now I didn't major in it because...I see so much of it is presumption. Shaky ground...lava burns up everything in its path...that seems pretty sure.

Do you think your opinions on science is an informed opinion? On what grounds?

 

[Audie]

Do you think your opinions on science is an informed opinion? On what grounds?

Simple. So much is presumed to be
presumption.

 

[ppp]

Simple. So much is presumed to be
presumption.

Ha. That was so close to what I expected to hear from @YoursTrue that I didn't even bother to check.

 

[Aupmanyav]

God just sent me a message. Is that physical?

Albert Einstein famously said, “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” Through imagination, people can explore ideas of things that are not physically present, ranging from the familiar (e.g., a thick slice of chocolate cake) to the never-before-experienced (e.g., an alien spacecraft appearing in the sky).

The process of thought is physical. To imagine is a thought process. Yes, imagination has no boundaries, but that does not make what all we imagine a truth.

I have maintained and still do that God made the laws like gravity... light...darkness...but He can break those laws when He wants to.

You certainly have done that. What you lack is evidence for what you claim - God and his powers.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No.

No. The sciences are a methodology for the measurement of what is presented to us. There is nothing about science that requires that what is presented to us is some sort of objective reality. There is no solution to hard solipsism.


If I were going to try to argue your position, I would have considered epitemology a better tack. At least epistemology is a little more pragmatic and therefore ties better to science.

I would like the explanation for that.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I was not too much into science but find some of it interesting. I'm glad now I didn't major in it because...I see so much of it is presumption. Shaky ground...lava burns up everything in its path...that seems pretty sure.

I am sorry about that. I wish every child today to learn science at least up to the high school level, otherwise we get ignorant statements from people.
Lava can burn what is burnable and not everything. Basaltic lava is less viscous, granitic lava is quite viscous and soon solidifies.

destruction by lava - Google Search

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It isn't impossible to float off into space when you jump - just contrary to expectations.

The word "impossible" doesn't mean anything in that case.

It might be that there are things that don't obey gravitational laws. It might be that gravitational laws aren't what we think they are. In neither case are we talking about impossibility.

Again, in that case, the word "impossible" doesn't mean anything.

What does it mean then to say that X is "impossible"?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Have you been conditioned to say no before you even try it?

No. I just have an active BS filter and recognize assumed conclusions when I see them.
What you are asking is not a proper way to search for answers, but rather an attempt at convincing oneselves of a pre-determined answer.
Hence: painting the bullseye around the arrow.

Are you so set in your ways and thinking that you never question yourself?

Projection

There is more knowledge living in your view than you can imagine. Ask any parent. If children know nothing, how do they teach parents so much along the journey?

God gave everyone a different view to guaranty mankind a larger view than any one person could have. Do you want too see the True Mosaic or are you interested in only what you want to see?

Those who seek always look for what they are missing instead of being satisfied with those beliefs.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

All you are doing is confirming my point.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I was not too much into science but find some of it interesting. I'm glad now I didn't major in it because...I see so much of it is presumption. Shaky ground...lava burns up everything in its path...that seems pretty sure.

Not really - it's more about the temperature of the lava (at its hottest) and the melting point of anything in its path. Such that some metals might survive if they have very high melting points. Aircraft engines (and engines for space vehicles) usually have such materials in their construction, given the high temperatures that will occur whilst operating.

 

[Audie]

Not really - it's more about the temperature of the lava (at its hottest) and the melting point of anything in its path. Such that some metals might survive if they have very high melting points. Aircraft engines (and engines for space vehicles) usually have such materials in their construction, given the high temperatures that will occur whilst operating.

In Washigton Stare USA a cave in basalt
was discovered. Cave in basalt is kind of weird.

They somehow made a cast of the interior. And
it turned out to be of a rhinoceros.

 

[Mock Turtle]

In Washigton Stare USA a cave in basalt
was discovered. Cave in basalt is kind of weird.

They somehow made a cast of the interior. And
it turned out to be of a rhinoceros.

A dream or nightmare of mine - launching into a lava flow in a suitable boat and with a supposedly heatproof suit.

 

[1213]

Every year atmospheric sulfuric acid concentration is different. It gets trapped in ice.

What if for example ten years of layers are one year melted and mixed? Is it not possible?

How would you prove "Every year atmospheric sulfuric acid concentration is different"?

Each and every glacier on earth gives the same date
for pinatubo, krakatoa, every other big eruption.
And sure enough, there is the ash, as distinct as a fingerprint, for that volcano.

I think it can be possible that some glaciers gives same date, they can be formed similarly. But, they all can also have same systematic mistake in the way layers are count. The result is relative and doesn't necessary give exact year, only that there was an event that was recorded in same way at the same time, if it is actually true that they have similar layer.

 

[1213]

...The individual layers are rather thin. ...

Why do you believe the individual layers means individual years?

 

[1213]

So you just choose not to believe anything
Atheists say just coz they are atheists?
....

More like because I think they have lied in other matters.

 

[1213]

why would you say that it is possible the layers do not present years correctly? Please explain, thank you.

Because the layers are essentially marks of rain, freezing and melting. It could be that some year there was no melting, or rain and some year there was many different periods. Years are not identical, therefore we can't assume identical layers by every year. That is why the layers can be wrongly interpreted.

 

[Audie]

What if for example ten years of layers are one year melted and mixed? Is it not possible?

How would you prove "Every year atmospheric sulfuric acid concentration is different"?

I think it can be possible that some glaciers gives same date, they can be formed similarly. But, they all can also have same systematic mistake in the way layers are count. The result is relative and doesn't necessary give exact year, only that there was an event that was recorded in same way at the same time, if it is actually true that they have similar layer.

The world I full of " what- if". What if the cow jumped over the moon.

But " melt and mix to make ten layers" doesnt even make sense. If it melts and refreshes it will make one layer.
That would give a younger, not older date

But some ice dates hundreds of thousands of years / layers old

Having the same exact melt n mix in every glacier on earth
is simply absurd. For one, note that it's winter for some
while it's summer for others.


Prove that each years H2S04 is different?

There are a great many atmosphere monitoring stations.
They keep track.
In the ice, variations match the the variations in the atmosphere. Each layer is different.

Every single layer in the ice has a different concentration
of acid. All the way down through the years.


You'd have to come up with how 1 2,3 4 5 etc can be a
mistake if it keeps giving the same correct answer every time.

Radiocarbon dating also matches.

Count layers back to 79 AD and there's the ash from
Vesuvias. And the sulfuric.

I spoke of the improbabikitt of the kids homework being lost every day to wildly improbable causes.

You find it believably probable that all the errors you
have imagined somehow add up to giving the correct
answer every single time?

 

[Audie]

Because the layers are essentially marks of rain, freezing and melting. It could be that some year there was no melting, or rain and some year there was many different periods. Years are not identical, therefore we can't assume identical layers by every year. That is why the layers can be wrongly interpreted.

That is plain false. Glaciers are formed from
snow.
It never ever rains in Antarctica.

You got one lil thing correct, by accident.

Of course each year is a little different.
That's what make it easy to confirm that ech
layer is from a different year.

 

[Audie]

More like because I think they have lied in other matters.

Exactly. Atheists are bad people who lie.
Christian bigotry on full public display.

 

[Audie]

Why do you believe the individual layers means individual years?

Because they can be observed forming,
because each has different composition
and because the count is alwys correct for known
dates of volcanic eruptions.
As you've been told and would know of you
bothered to Google

 

[Audie]

More like because I think they have lied in other matters.

I'd like to see an example of an atheists lying
because he is atheist, and / or in the name of atheism.

OTOH would you like me to start in on the vast
array of lies, frauds and fakers from Christians,
and then go on to other religions, and after a few
hours of that, tell me about how much you
just blindly trust any Christian or other theist?