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Question for supporters of the second amendment.

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
This is a question for those who think gun ownership is an important human right.

Do you think people who live in other countries (ie Canada, Britton, France etc) are less free? Do you think it is an injustice that in Canada gun ownership is a privilege? Or is this a question that has never occurred to you?
 

Rough Beast Sloucher

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
This is a question for those who think gun ownership is an important human right.

Do you think people who live in other countries (ie Canada, Britton, France etc) are less free? Do you think it is an injustice that in Canada gun ownership is a privilege? Or is this a question that has never occurred to you?

The question has occurred to me.

Canadians Could Face Hate Crimes Over Using The Wrong Gender Pronouns

Using the wrong gender pronoun is now a crime in Canada? The US Constitution protects the right to free speech, although the courts have placed practical limits on that, like the classic shouting fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire.The US Constitution also protects the right to keep and near arms, although the court have placed practical limits on that, like limiting the availability of machine guns.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
This is a question for those who think gun ownership is an important human right.

Do you think people who live in other countries (ie Canada, Britton, France etc) are less free? Do you think it is an injustice that in Canada gun ownership is a privilege? Or is this a question that has never occurred to you?

Are they more are less able to defend their freedom if it comes to that?

The idea of having an armed citizenship, as I understand it, is so the individual retains the ability to defend their freedom. Even from their own government.

I think you can understand the reasoning of the founding father having just had to go to war with their own government.

One's freedom can only continue to exist so long as one is capable of defending it. Once you can no longer defend your freedom it can be taken from you at any time.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The question has occurred to me.

Canadians Could Face Hate Crimes Over Using The Wrong Gender Pronouns

Using the wrong gender pronoun is now a crime in Canada? The US Constitution protects the right to free speech, although the courts have placed practical limits on that, like the classic shouting fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire.The US Constitution also protects the right to keep and near arms, although the court have placed practical limits on that, like limiting the availability of machine guns.

So basically they no longer have the freedom to disagree with social ideology.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
This is a question for those who think gun ownership is an important human right.

Do you think people who live in other countries (ie Canada, Britton, France etc) are less free? Do you think it is an injustice that in Canada gun ownership is a privilege? Or is this a question that has never occurred to you?

Yes they are less free.

1 less right = less free
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
This is a question for those who think gun ownership is an important human right.

Do you think people who live in other countries (ie Canada, Britton, France etc) are less free? Do you think it is an injustice that in Canada gun ownership is a privilege? Or is this a question that has never occurred to you?

It doesn't matter what anyone in the USA thinks, it was written into the 2nd Amendment so barring a 50 state agreement to modify that the discussion is over for us. :D

Comparatively, all the countries you've mentioned have absolutely no freedom and only limited freedom in speech gun issue not withstanding. FFS, you can be arrested in all of them for saying the wrong words on the Internet, I'll pass.

So, I guess yes... you need guns to be free, because none of those other places truly are.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
So is this for people who support the 2nd Amendment or people who think gun ownership is an important human right? The two are not always one and the same.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Support for the 2nd Amendment is just that; the support of American's rights to keep and bear arms, as permitted by Constitutional law. Believing that they're an "important human right" goes beyond that legal precedence, and starts involving basic needs and rights (like food, water, shelter, etc) as well as often invoking (unnecessary) divine providence. The latter is taking things a step too far, in short.

If your question is for people of the latter, then I can't answer you that. However I support the 2nd Amendment for what it is, which doesn't elevate gun ownership above a privilege any more than driving a car is; all it does is "forbid" (for lack of a better word) denial of American citizens pursuing (through proper legal channels and regulations) ownership of firearms. Nothing about it states that you get a gun free of charge and check, it just states that we have a right to keep and bear arms.

Comparing us to other countries doesn't achieve much, as those countries still have issues of their own (some violence-related), and issues that don't parallel well to ours. London may have fewer school shootings, but how many bombings and honor killings do they have? Canada may not have "shooting sprees" (in where under five people die), but how many teens go missing in the woods at the hands of roaming psychopaths?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So, I guess yes... you need guns to be free, because none of those other places truly are.
You think a land of absurd laws, jam-packed jails and prisons, a land that still has much religious ideology governing it is free?
And, it may come as a surprise, but they tend to consider themselves free. They just don't constantly have the need to remind themselves like Americans tend to.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
But this summer recreational cannabis will become legal in Canada, so that's one right/freedom that we don't have, at least not nationally.

That's slowly changing in the U.S as well. While I don't see recreational use ever being made legal nationally. I do see it being decriminalized on a national level within our lifetime. Then states can feel free to make recreational use legal on a state by state basis without fear of the feds busting people.

So how far off is Canada from allowing their population to arm themselves?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
That's slowly changing in the U.S as well. While I don't see recreational use ever being made legal nationally. I do see it being decriminalized on a national level within our lifetime. Then states can feel free to make recreational use legal on a state by state basis without fear of the feds busting people.

So how far off is Canada from allowing their population to arm themselves?
I don't know, but unlike the legalization of cannabis, I don't think there are many Canadians pushing to have that right.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I don't know, but unlike the legalization of cannabis, I don't think there are many Canadians pushing to have that right.

If the day ever comes, that right would be handy. But it's much harder to obtain that right than any other. Should the Canadian government decide to go against the will of it's people. What will Canadians do?
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Didn't ya hear? Democrats hate the 2nd amendment and want to confiscate all guns from everyone! Democrats also hate America, American values, etc. All according to RW performance artists. Heard Mark Levin last night say this. Heard plenty of RW artists say the same thing.

RW media needs to be eliminated.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Didn't ya hear? Democrats hate the 2nd amendment and want to confiscate all guns from everyone! Democrats also hate America, American values, etc. All according to RW performance artists. Heard Mark Levin last night say this. Heard plenty of RW artists say the same thing.

RW media needs to be eliminated.
I didn't any emojis to confirm my suspicions, but I'm hoping you're being sarcastic.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
This is a question for those who think gun ownership is an important human right.
Well, the question doesn't apply to me, but I'm going to answer anyway. I don't see gun ownership as "an important human right." I am very much in favor of some new laws -- to be implemented ASAP. I especially don't see semi-automatic assault weapon ownership as an individual right AT ALL.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
If the day ever comes, that right would be handy. But it's much harder to obtain that right than any other. Should the Canadian government decide to go against the will of it's people. What will Canadians do?
If the majority Canadians wanted the right, then they should be granted it, but it appears that most favor the restrictions that they have.
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
This is a question for those who think gun ownership is an important human right.

Do you think people who live in other countries (ie Canada, Britton, France etc) are less free? Do you think it is an injustice that in Canada gun ownership is a privilege? Or is this a question that has never occurred to you?

Probably. I think somewhat it's more of a matter of, there are already guns here. Maybe if we didn't have so many we could have a different conversation but it's kinda too late to change the situation.

I have nothing wrong with guns inherently, but America is a unique situation. I think we need to focus more on gun education and have training courses ect required or at least offered. It could even generate a lot of jobs for such people to teach the classes.

We could also do better to make mental health and abuse prevention more readily available. I think all of that would be a lot better. I could see a ban on producing more of certain types of guns maybe but we could do what was done before and allow the resale of the ones already in circulation just stop any new ones of that type from being produced.


This is a lie and has been proven by a bunch of different sources. But what can we expect when they keep posting white nationalist pieces?

This anti trans propaganda is dangerous. It's sentiments have been used to minimize sentences against people who have committed real violence (I can point to actual cases too). It emboldens real violent crime. And it's crap like this that makes me believe that many people need a gun to protect themselves in certain areas.

anyways my sources: Bill C-16 – No, its Not about Criminalizing Pronoun Misuse — Mark S. Bonham Centre for Sexual Diversity Studies

Fact Check: No, You Won’t Be Jailed For Using The Wrong Pronoun

Canadian lawmakers pass bill extending transgender protections
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
If the majority Canadians wanted the right, then they should be granted it, but it appears that most favor the restrictions that they have.

That doesn't answer my question though.

Hypothetical situation. Let's say the Canadian version of Hitler is elected and starts executing LGBT and non-whites.

What will Canadians do then?

Without arms to remove said Hitler. There is few choices.

1. Die
2. Flee the country, welcome to the U.S!
3. Support Hitler eh?
 
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