Question For Wiccans

[Gentoo]

Then your sources are crap.

Pretty much.

 

[Azakel]

It's like when you go down to the Yuchatan and you look at all the Pyramids there and all the holes put in the walls for the sun to appear on the winter solstice, It can't be seperated from the same thing the Egyptians did in their worshipping on the winter solstice.

I agree with Storm. And to hit this one spot. The Pyramids in Egypt are nothing like the ones in Yucatan(No H). There's no whole in them and they where not used in Sun warship.
Maybe if you did some real reading about the subject you would no this.

 

[Flavius]

I never understood why it's such a big deal that Christmas is celebrated near the Solstice. Modern pagans don't seem to care, why do some Christians care so much?

I care about the correct birth of Jesus for many reasons. For one reason, I'm convinced that everyone who celebrates the Birth of Jesus on Chistmas will die in the day it is revealed because I'm told they will die.

I believe they will die in the 6th hour, the 6th day, in the 6th month, in the 6th year accordingly what I'm told by Ezekiel concerning the winter solstice and the Sukkot.

I believe the celebration takes away from the the feast of Tabernacles where Christians should really be learning by having fun on the feast of Tabernacles.

I'm angry because I can't celebrate the feast of Tabernacles unless my family joins in, Imagine trying to celebrate Christmas by yourself.

I'm angry that the date has been changed because the feast of Tabernacles calls you to camp with your family for 7 days and this can hardly be done in the winter.

I'm angry because I mourn for the Holy days of God, and every single person who considers themselves Jerusalem or Israel only has 3 days in which they are demanded to come up to Jerusalem in order to keep these feasts and nobody keeps them.

I'm angry because the world says, '' Look, The christians celebrate the Wiccan and Pagan days', and they are correct.''

I'm angry every year because people say,'' Jesus is the reason for the season.''
But this isn't the Jesus I know.

Most of all, I'm angry because The feast of Tabernacles is such a wonderfull beautiful celebration to which no celebration compares.

If I had a Time machine and could go back in history, Tabernacles would be the day I went back to see.

The Most important aspect is the fact that it seperates Jews from Christians .

 

[Flavius]

I agree with Storm. And to hit this one spot. The Pyramids in Egypt are nothing like the ones in Yucatan(No H). There's no whole in them and they where not used in Sun warship.
Maybe if you did some real reading about the subject you would no this.

I didn't do the real reading, I have been to all of them and seen it for myself on the winter solstice at that.

When you vistit these ruins even the guides will tell you what I told you but besides that, Are you aware that the we take part of our cal;ender from the solar calender, The mayan calender which marks the winter solstice?

Maybe you should read a little better.

 

[Azakel]

I didn't do the real reading, I have been to all of them and seen it for myself on the winter solstice at that.

When you vistit these ruins even the guides will tell you what I told you but besides that, Are you aware that the we take part of our cal;ender from the solar calender, The mayan calender which marks the winter solstice?

Maybe you should read a little better.

There are 138 pyramids discovered in Egypt as of 2008.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids#cite_note-0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids#cite_note-1 Most were built as tombs for the country's Pharaohs and their consorts during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods.

No you need to stupid posting false claim okay. They are no where the same has the pyramids in Mexico. If your guide is telling you something like this there are just has ignorant about the history has you.

 

[Flavius]

Then your sources are crap.

That's fair enough Storm.

I don't mind that you believe that.

Tell me, why is it that no matter where you go in the world you find the story of Noah amongst most every people and every nation?

Did Noah come from them all?

And if this one story is found with so many people and so many countries from which I tell you the winter solstice is also shared from, why do you suppose all these Gods are so different when they all share the same beginnings?

Here is just a Few names and Peoples who relate the same story of one man being a lone survivor {with exceptians of maybe a friends, sons and wives} have survived a global world destruction.

The Hebrews have Noah, Babylonians the Utnapishtan, Sumerians their Ziusidru, the Greeks their deucalion, Hindus their Manu, Chinese the Fahe, Hawaiians with their Nu-u, Mexicanindians their Tezpi, algonquins their Manabozho, all of which tell the story of Noah and a Universal flood and you think they didn't worship this man?

There are many m,ore names, some 700.

Crap is crap I suppose.

 

[Storm]

That's fair enough Storm.

I don't mind that you believe that.

Tell me, why is it that no matter where you go in the world you find the story of Noah amongst most every people and every nation?

Did Noah come from them all?

And if this one story is found with so many people and so many countries from which I tell you the winter solstice is also shared from, why do you suppose all these Gods are so different when they all share the same beginnings?

Here is just a Few names and Peoples who relate the same story of one man being a lone survivor {with exceptians of maybe a friends, sons and wives} have survived a global world destruction.

The Hebrews have Noah, Babylonians the Utnapishtan, Sumerians their Ziusidru, the Greeks their deucalion, Hindus their Manu, Chinese the Fahe, Hawaiians with their Nu-u, Mexicanindians their Tezpi, algonquins their Manabozho, all of which tell the story of Noah and a Universal flood and you think they didn't worship this man?

Crap is crap I suppose.

There's a HUGE difference between "flood myths are common" and "all Gods can be traced back to a Babylonian man named Nimrod, and were born on the Winter Solstice."

The latter is just stupid.

 

[Flavius]

There are 138 pyramids discovered in Egypt as of 2008. Most were built as tombs for the country's Pharaohs and their consorts during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods.

No you need to stupid posting false claim okay. They are no where the same has the pyramids in Mexico. If your guide is telling you something like this there are just has ignorant about the history has you.

I'm saying that were built around the Sun, around the worship of the Hosts of heaven.

 

[Storm]

I'm saying that were built around the Sun, around the worship of the Hosts of heaven.

And you're wrong.

 

[Gentoo]

And you're wrong. You're also arguing in a DIR, which is against the rules.

This is Debates actually

 

[Flavius]

There's a HUGE difference between "flood myths are common" and "all Gods can be traced back to a Babylonian man named Nimrod, and were born on the Winter Solstice."

The latter is just stupid.

Why is it so stupid?

Nimrod was the Grandson of Noah, Builder of Babylon, Builder of the great cities, and his son was Hammurabi which gave us the first recorded codex,son of Ham.

This codex cannot be seperated from the levitical law in that it has so many common starnge threads.

If so many countries worship this lone survivor from which all men came{As I believe}, doesn't it seem logical that all worship was derived from the great man who cheated death?

 

[Storm]

This is Debates actually

Whoops.

 

[Storm]

Why is it so stupid?

Nimrod was the Grandson of Noah, Builder of Babylon, Builder of the great cities, and his son was Hammurabi which gave us the first recorded codex,son of Ham.

Your myths have no authority over the myths of others.

If so many countries worship this lone survivor from which all men came, doesn't it seem logical that all worship was derived from the great man who cheated death?

They don't.

 

[Flavius]

Your myths have no authority over the myths of others.


They don't.

I don't believe in Myths, But I don't mind if you call what you believe a myth, It's neither here nor there to me.

If you believe in a truth, I believe that it's truth to you.

I'm just stating the common threads with all men as I believe them to be.

Maybe I'm wrong but a person has to believe what a person believes.

If I have offended you, Please forgive me.

 

[Storm]

I don't believe in Myths, But I don't mind if you call what you believe a myth, It's neither here nor there to me.

Noah's ark is a myth.

If you believe in a truth, I believe that it's truth to you.

I'm just stating the common threads with all men as I believe them to be.

Gibberish.

Maybe I'm wrong but a person has to believe what a person believes.

Not really. A little education would go a long way.

 

[fallingblood]

Why is it so stupid?

Nimrod was the Grandson of Noah, Builder of Babylon, Builder of the great cities, and his son was Hammurabi which gave us the first recorded codex,son of Ham.

This codex cannot be seperated from the levitical law in that it has so many common starnge threads.

If so many countries worship this lone survivor from which all men came, doesn't it seem logical that all worship was derived from the great man who cheated death?

Can you prove any of this? There is no evidence that a historical Noah even existed, and less evidence to show that Nimrod was the Grandson of Noah.

It is alright if you want to believe this stuff. However, if you put it in a debate forum, you must provide some type of evidence. If you don't, then there is no reason to post this in the debate forum.

 

[Flavius]

Noah's ark is a myth.


Gibberish.


Not really. A little education would go a long way.

Noah's ark is not a Myth to me, Josephus Flavius talked about people seeing it 2000 years ago and I even saw a picture of it today right where the Bible said it would be.

What education would you have me learn?

Yours?

I'll choose my own thanks.

The giglamesh is the oldest record of it but their record is flawed in the design of the ark itself because it's in the deisgn of a brick, and that's what's wrong with the Giglamesh record in that they give no date for the opening of the great deeps of water.

Amazingly, The date is recorded in Egyptian history and it confirms the same day as the bible which is the 17th of the 2nd month.

I believe this is why the Egyptians called Moses ,'' Osirus'' when recording the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt as Josephus explains from Manetho's own words.

You see, The Boat of Osrius is still carried in the streets of Egypt every single year, even last year and he like Noah went upon the water on the same day Noah did, and he stayed upon the water the exact same amount of days Noah stayed on the water.

Being that Osirus is thus celebrated as a Man who came from the water, Moses therefore was called ,'' Osirus'' Because from the water the Pharaoh's daughter took Moses. They must have been really excited to find a baby in the water as to see him as a God.

And truly, God told Moses,'' Behold, I have made you a God to the Egyptians''

God's plan is so well thought out, To have had Moses taken from the water as to make him a God to the Egyptians being only 3 months old.

 

[Storm]

Noah's ark is not a Myth to me,

Doesn't change the reality, buddy. It never happened.

 

[Flavius]

Can you prove any of this? There is no evidence that a historical Noah even existed, and less evidence to show that Nimrod was the Grandson of Noah.

It is alright if you want to believe this stuff. However, if you put it in a debate forum, you must provide some type of evidence. If you don't, then there is no reason to post this in the debate forum.

Which part would you like me to edit?

 

[Gentoo]

Noah's ark is not a Myth to me, Josephus Flavius talked about people seeing it 2000 years ago and I even saw a picture of it today right where the Bible said it would be.

Uh-huh... sure.

Amazingly, The date is recorded in Egyptian history and it confirms the same day as the bible which is the 17th of the 2nd month.

I believe this is why the Egyptians called Moses ,'' Osirus'' when recording the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt as Josephus explains from Manetho's own words.

You see, The Boat of Osrius is still carried in the streets of Egypt every single year, even last year and he like Noah went upon the water on the same day Noah did, and he stayed upon the water the exact same amount of days Noah stayed on the water.

Being that Osirus is thus celebrated as a Man who came from the water, Moses therefore was called ,'' Osirus'' Because from the water the Pharaoh's daughter took Moses. They must have been really excited to find a baby in the water as to see him as a God.

And truly, God told Moses,'' Behold, I have made you a God to the Egyptians''

God's plan is so well thought out, To have had Moses taken from the water as to make him a God to the Egyptians being only 3 months old.

What are you going on about?