Booko
Deviled Hen
MBones, it would help a lot if you replied using that "quote" button at the bottom right corner of any post you want to answer. That way, at least we'd know what you're referring to.
Thanks
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Question on Religious Background
- Thread starter rojse
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MBones, it would help a lot if you replied using that "quote" button at the bottom right corner of any post you want to answer. That way, at least we'd know what you're referring to.
Thanks
DeepShadow
White Crow
Not all. Some are founded on personal revelation, and a personal relationship to
God.
You seem to be assuming that believing what my parents taught me is automatically bad. It's only bad if I believe it because my parents taught it to me, in spite of my own experiences. If my experiences confirm the truth of something my parents taught, am I not supposed to believe it?
DeepShadow
White Crow
If the parents' religion can provide a genuine religious experience, why seek another? Why are people who leave their parents' religion somehow more inspired than people who have it confirmed?
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Spiritually Inclined asked in the UU forum why we are UU. This was my answer:
The long-answer-short is two-fold:
1. Why did I join any kind of religious community in the first place?
Because I do better spiritually in a community than I do on my own. When left just to myself, I tend to put off things that are inconvenient, like volunteering. ("Oh yeah, I meant to do that but I was busy; maybe next month.") Or spiritual practice ("Yeah, I know I should meditate but I'm really busy, maybe next week.") When left just to myself, I can rationalize all sorts of things that maybe aren't the best for me or others. When left just to myself, I can sometimes wallow in depression.
2. Why did I specifically join UU?
Because Unitarian Universalism affirms my natural inclination to ask questions, to re-evaluate/reinterpret, to trust my own intuition and experiences and reason. UU says not only are these things ok, but they're good. They are what a spiritual being SHOULD be doing. It was the first time I ever heard that explicitly coming from a religion, so I signed up.
rojse
RF Addict
Thank you very much for your answers, lilithu.
As to DeepShadow, who says that the child gains a religious experience in that religion? Perhaps they only do so to follow their parent's wishes. Perhaps they have not been exposed to other ideas, and are unable to see other choices. Perhaps they are only there out of pressure to conform with what their peers do.
As to DeepShadow, who says that the child gains a religious experience in that religion? Perhaps they only do so to follow their parent's wishes. Perhaps they have not been exposed to other ideas, and are unable to see other choices. Perhaps they are only there out of pressure to conform with what their peers do.
Scott1
Well-Known Member
If I may....
It's not "other texts" that are important, but the Church itself that is part of the dual foundation (Scripture and Tradition) of our faith. We (Roman Catholic/Orthodox) are first and foremost a community of believers... our Christian faith is not something purely individual and trapped inside a book, but is more about our fellow man and 2,000 years of shared teaching and preaching.
Peace in Christ,
Scott
James the Persian
Dreptcredincios Crestin
No, there are no 'manmade trinity doctrines'. The Trinity was believed from the beginning contrary to the claims made by the likes of the JWs. I wasn't actually indirectly referrint to texts at all, although some of Holy Tradition is indeed found in extra-canonical documents. The sorts of things that are considered valuable but are not within the Biblical canon (and bear in mind that the canon itself is much more fuzzily defined than most Protestants would have you realise - there are currently four different canons in use that I'm aware of and there are several that have ceased to be used), would include texts like the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas, the Creed, the canons of the Ecumenical Councils, the writings of the Fathers, etc. It's unlikely, after 2000 years, that anything taught by the Church remains unwritten but, in principle it could and so Holy Tradition encompasses the idea of oral as well as written teachings.
We, the RCs and the OOs (which is what I guess you meant by catholic churches) are not separated over any texts, though. We and the OOs are separated over the issue of the Christological formula used (and many of us see it as a tragedy of misunderstanding rather than anything substantive) and we and the RCs are divided over, primarily, the Papal claims of supremacy of the Church and their insertion of the heretical filioque clause into the Creed, though there are many other innovations post-Schism in the RCC that we also deem heretical.
James
DeepShadow
White Crow
We're talking about a hypothetical person, right? I never said that the above was impoissible, quite the contrary. But some children do gain religious experiences in the parents' religion. Who are you to lump them together with the yes-men?
Children only believe what they are taught, and then when they grow old enough to think for themselves they then favor the teachings of their childhood and base their lives on that. Most of the time. I would say 90% of time that I have experienced. The uproar in this world today that we see is that those who once were children are now adults thinking for themselves and some of them are questioning the beliefs in which they were brought up on. For that I give my applause to those who question those today to make a better world, to not have the prejudices that their ancestors grew up with, to saying NO, we do not support that. To supporting the belief that we are all created equal. The children today are the future and the now, we should hope that they give all of us the understanding that we did not to others for sooo many years .
Muffled
Jesus in me
In the authoritarian church I was brought before a committee to examine my beliefs. I do not believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity (God in three persons); I see it as not biblically supportable. I believe that the Qu'ran and Bible are in harmony, which is something that most Christians and Muslims don't believe. I was told that I could stay but I couldn't talk to anyone about my beliefs. I wasn't completely muzzled but I definitely was Muffled. It was not an acceptable situation for me.
In the Liberal church, there was a comfort level with sin. The particular sin that I am referring to is homosexuality. It isn't that the church I attended had its own problems with it but that the Denomination was allowing congregations to practice acceptance of this sin and the church I attended would not seek to have the Denomination redress the error. The attitude of the denomination seemed to be that they should cover up the fact that sin was accepted in some of their congregations. That is similar to the RC's covering up the child abuse by priests.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Calling God a liar is blasphemy which is also a sin.
Who is condemning? The sin condemns the person to death. All I can do is encourage someone to choose life. Also I do not think less or more of such a person. It is what it is.
I would be a hypocrite if I said I believed in God and sin.
Well Muffled am I calling God a liar, well yes if his teachings are condeming a preson for thier sexual oreintation, scripture has many homosexual dealings with it, just like the roman catholic church has to deal with it today. They (homosexuals) are simply a person, in today's society , we are all people who should be meek and admit that we do not know the truth to Gods wisdom. We are all one people, regardless of sexual orientation, creed, color of skin, origin, etcc...Until WE UNDERSTAND THOSE DIFFERENCES, WE WILL NOT BE ONE WORLD, WE NEED TO PUT THE ******** BEHIND AND EMBRACE EVERY CULTURE, EVERY PERSON AND LIVE TOGETHER AS ONE. UNTIL WE DO THAT, WE ARE NOTHING AND WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD. THAT IS THE BIG TEST,,, CAN WE LIVE TOGETHER AS ONE.... NO I DON'T THINK SO.. BUT WE ARE GETTING THERE BY TALKING TO PEOPLE AND BEING RATIONAL TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER. WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR OURSELVES, GOD IS NOT GOING TO DO IT FOR US. And that is the downfall of society, that God will do it for them. Well there are many "them" out there that think that their prayers will help them against everyone else, the problem is that God isn't and can't be on all sides. What side to pick?// Well the Americans deserve it..... ********... Live in la la land. Where in the sacred scrolls does it say that the Americans are pious????