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Question regarding ISKCON...

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Let us get history correct (as best as we can, source - Wikipedia):
Adi Sankara: 788–820 CE
Ramanuja: 1017–1137 CE
Nimbarka: 1130–1200 CE (disputed)
Vallabha: 1479–1531 CE
Chaitanya: 1486–1534 CE
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
Let us get history correct (as best as we can, source - Wikipedia):
Adi Sankara: 788–820 CE
Ramanuja: 1017–1137 CE
Nimbarka: 1130–1200 CE (disputed)
Vallabha: 1479–1531 CE
Chaitanya: 1486–1534 CE

Also Madhvacharya: 1238 - 1317 CE

As he is on the list of people visited by Chaitanya.
 

Chakra

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Tattva-ji, as you know, Sri Vaishnavas consider Ramanuja as the incarnation of Adi Sesha. Nityananda from the Gaudiya tradition is also considered to be incarnation of Adi Sesha. I think that the Shri Vaishnavas on this website pretty much sum it up.

Ramanujacarya and ISKCON | The Vaishnava Voice

(Note: They are in the comments section. You can see that the Shri Vaishnavas were hurt by some of ISKCON's claims.)
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Also, from the above link, I see Chaitanya talked to Shankara too
...and he forgot to say hi to Prabhakara? What nonsense is that? How he gon' say wassup to Shankara and not to Prabhakara if he gon' go back in time and stuff. Plus, how he gon' forget to ask Shankara to comment on his work? Nuh uh, no siree! I ain't buyin' 'dat!


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Chakra

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No. But to be accepted as an avatara for all Hindus requires the support of all Hindus and not just one sect. Otherwise, a sect may accept one as an avatara but not others.
Ah, I see now. The meaning of that post wasn't very clear until you clarified it. My bad.
 

4M17

Member
Hey guys,
I've tried researching and haven't find any actual objective evidence for some of ISKCON's claims. What I mean is that one website says that Krishna, Vishnu, and Rama are all equal, while another website says that Krishna is superior to Vishnu. I would humbly request the ISKCONites here or anyone knowledgeable on the issue to tell me the ISKCON position on these topics:

1) Does ISKCON believe that Krishna is not the incarnation of Vishnu?
2) Does ISKCON believe that the jiva fell from Vaikuntha?
3) Does ISKCON believe that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was the Kali Yuga incarnation (for example, one website stated that each yuga has an incarnation, and Mahaprabhu is the incarnation for this Yuga) or do they believe that Chaitanya was a "hidden" incarnation?
4) Does ISKCON believe that all 4 Vaishnava sampradaya are all true (for example, one website said that all 4 sampradayas are equal while one said Achintya is the most correct)?
5) Does ISKCON believe that there were two Buddhas and Gautama Siddhartha is not Vishnu's incarnation?

If need be, I can pull up the websites, but I don't think that will be necessary (and also quite time-consuming for me, since I don't take note of which websites I browse). These are the only questions I have right now, but if I have more, I will post them later on. Not asking for any proof if the claims are real, I just want to know ISKCON's positions on each claims. Also, quotes from any ISKCONite literature or from Prabhupada's lectures would help a lot.

Thanks and Hare Krishna.
Since Ratikala ji has already given very beautiful answers i'll just confirm about the 4th one...im an iskcon follower...We accept all the 4 sampradayas as bonafide..His Divine Grace A.C. Bhativendanta Swami Srila Prabhupada himself mentioned that these 4 line(from Ramanuja acharya, Madhva acharya, Nirbarka swami, Vishnu swami) are all equally bonafide..Iskcon falls under the Madhva,(a branch of Madhva going through Chaitanya mahaprabhu) :)
 
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