Questions about 666

[Random]

Nope.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.​

Why can't it be a man and many others things, wrapped up in one? A multiple allegory, if you will..?

 

[Smoke]

Why can't it be a man and many others things, wrapped up in one? A multiple allegory, if you will..?

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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Look, I didn't write the book, but it says what it says. The beast is a man. A man is not a money system.

 

[Random]

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.​

Look, I didn't write the book, but it says what it says. The beast is a man. A man is not a money system.

An Atheist guilty of Biblical literalism? My my...

Anyway, it would be a long and tawdry bore of a process to show you how the Beast equates to the money system, but is also a man.

Try a search for "Cush".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I all was thought that 666 was the numerical value of Nero's name. Since also a lot of the thing he did to the Christians was vary much like a Beast and all. Not a nice man at all.

Alot of scholars do agree 666/616 is indeed the numerical value for Nero.

 

[Smoke]

An Atheist guilty of Biblical literalism? My my...

In this case, what the atheist is guilty of is reading comprehension.

Anyway, it would be a long and tawdry bore of a process to show you how the Beast equates to the money system, but is also a man.

So, you either have nothing to say in support of your view, or you don't think it's worth saying.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.​

Look, I didn't write the book, but it says what it says. The beast is a man. A man is not a money system.

I'm not as up on my ancient Mediterranean languages as I should be, but would "it is the number of man" be a valid translation based on the original source material?

If that were the case, then all sorts of things would fit, by considering the nature of man: earthly treasure, sin, etc.

Just curious. I don't know if this would fit the text or not.

 

[Random]

So, you either have nothing to say in support of your view, or you don't think it's worth saying.

It's complicated.

 

[The Riley Family]

It seems like many people are going through the same things and asking similar questions that I once was. I was tired of my surroundings and the direction my life was taking me. No one seemed to have any answers that made any real sense. So I started to turn my life around and treat others as I wanted to be treated. I put others above myself and I started to pray to the God I was taught about in my youth. The problem was things became even more of a struggle. After an extensive period I realized something was wrong and so I turned from what I was taught from my youth. This is when I started to learn some interesting things. I had previously gotten rid of all the books I had collected. This was to include the bible even though I hung on to its teachings and tried to live by them. I was working for people with special needs at the time and I began to put even more of an emphasis on their needs and less on my own. One such person I helped was a Jewish lady who had cerebral palsy. She wanted to learn the Hebrew language very badly but believed she had a learning disability and so I picked up on it so I could help her out. I first began to help her understand she did not have a learning disability and then In learning about the Hebrew language I discovered that the alphabet, or alephbet, also represented numbers. It had previously crossed my mind why we were never taught who the anti-christ was or anything about the mark of the beast's identity. There is much I can write about the subject but the jist of it is this. The letters of Hebrew also represent numbers. The letters are also words. So in Hebrew vav=6, samech=60, tav=400, & resh=200 for a total of 666. The vav is like a prefix and the root "str" means secret or hidden. As I stated the letters are words and so I looked up the words. The word vav means nail, the word samech means a prop or a support, the word tav means a mark or a sign, and resh means the first, the head, the beginning. The letters also had shapes similar to English letters and vav was a nail, samech was a prop or a support, tav was a cross, and resh was a head of man. If you put this all together with other biblical information about the beast including the idea that an image would be made of the beast you have the crucifix. Also there is another number which is 616. It is interesting to note that if you add the numbers 6+1+6 and 6+6+6 you get 13 and 18. The interesting part about this is the numbers are mentioned in Revelation 13:18. Anyway I took the name that I was taught in my youth as the Christ and the one I had turned from because of the lack of support it offered me and put the letters into Hebrew. j=yod=10, e would not be considered, s=shin=300, u=vav=6, s=shin=300 for a total of 616. I had realized previously why in Revelation the Lord also says

3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

It is also stated in Revelation

19:11 I saw the heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it is called Faithful and True. In righteousness he judges and makes war. 19:12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has names written and a name written which no one knows but he himself.

With this understanding so much of what is written in the scriptures about this beast fits to a "T". I want to mention my family and I completely believe in the scriptures and whole heartedly at that. We own many bibles now (though any single bible is sufficient), and we believe in the one and only messiah or Christ. However we do not believe in the lie Christianity and others have made up by twisting and turning the truth. Looking forward to any responses.


The Riley Family

 

[w00t]

Being scared of the number 666 is superstitious nonsense, in my opinion! The book of Revelation is pure imagery and I think it is crazy to read all sorts of scenarios into it!

 

[Magic Man]

Nope.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.​

I know this is old, but...

You're correct. That is one translation. There are also translations that say "...for it is a human number...", and I'm sure others as well. If the Bible had been written in English, then you'd have a case. However, it wasn't, and so you can't take little things like this completely at face value. Maybe the original text implied or said that it was an actual man's number, and maybe it just meant that it was a number devised by humans, but not necessarily attributed to a man specifically.

This is especially true considering that "man" used to be the term used for "mankind" or "humans". If you take out the "a" in that quote, it becomes "for it is the number of man", meaning the number of the whole species, or one made up by the species.

 

[Azakel]

Being scared of the number 666 is superstitious nonsense, in my opinion! The book of Revelation is pure imagery and I think it is crazy to read all sorts of scenarios into it!

And because it's a number a write it on my hand sometimes and nothing happens. Wounder why? Numbers(as with other stuff) only have has much power or influence has we chose to give it. Which can be great or small.

 

[w00t]

And because it's a number a write it on my hand sometimes and nothing happens. Wounder why? Numbers(as with other stuff) only have has much power or influence has we chose to give it. Which can be great or small.

I wonder if the ideas of God or a Satan only have power if we allow it to?

 

[James Humphreys]

For what it is worth, here is the essence of Reverend Moon's view of the number 666. Man was created during the 6th day (or period) of creation, so for that reason six can be considered to be a number symbolic of humanity. Through the fall of man Satan gained power over, or the potential to use certain key numbers essential to God's creative process. The number six is one of those numbers that Satan has been effectively controlling and using, due to it representing man.

Reverend Moon also teaches that everything unfolds or grows through a process of three stages before reaching perfection or completion. So the appearance of six three times, refers to the completion of the number six through three stages. But 666 would be a completion belonging to Satan rather than God.

 

[w00t]

For what it is worth, here is the essence of Reverend Moon's view of the number 666. Man was created during the 6th day (or period) of creation, so for that reason six can be considered to be a number symbolic of humanity. Through the fall of man Satan gained power over, or the potential to use certain key numbers essential to God's creative process. The number six is one of those numbers that Satan has been effectively controlling and using, due to it representing man.

Reverend Moon also teaches that everything unfolds or grows through a process of three stages before reaching perfection or completion. So the appearance of six three times, refers to the completion of the number six through three stages. But 666 would be a completion belonging to Satan rather than God.

Since when did anything said by Moonie have any credence? Didn't he spend some time in gaol for fraud?

 

[The Riley Family]

It seems evident people like frauds. Maybe it is because of the entertainment value they think it has. I however just want the truth. There should be no fear in the number 666. One gentleman earlier stated he wrote it on himself and did not seem to suffer any for it. Nowhere in the bible does it say to fear 666 or any number. In fact is says the opposite. As for it written on the forehead or hand the scriptures make it clear that it is a particular way of thinking and acting that marks an individual. This is common for people to do in all sorts of circumstances. I see it everyday in the work that I do with able people labeled disabled. An idol can't do you any harm nor can it do you any good. wOOt Revelation actually disputes j-e-s-u-s as being a christ. If you don't believe in j-e-s-u-s then aren't you and Revelation in agreement. If you do believe in j-e-s-u-s but don't believe Revelation points to it being an anti-christ aren't you still in agreement? The kind of people God wants in his kingdom that is coming is the kind of people my family and I want in our life. They say it is a dog eat dog world and I don't want dog eating dogs to be there. God will be separating those out and my family and I are trying to not be separated from him. j-e-s-u-s is a fraud and I see many already know it. They just have a hard time separating it and its lies from what the bible talks about. I am hoping that will start changing soon. Maybe then the priests will be able to stop molesting children if they realize there so called God isn't a God at all but just a chunk of wood or metal. Maybe then they can get some real help and stop pretending to be priests. The bible they claim to believe in says there is only one priest and that is the Messiah aka Christ.

 

[logician]

They should have at least picked a prime number.

 

[The Riley Family]

Would it be prime depending how you look at it? Would a number indivisible by itself and one but not conveying your message really be prime to anyone? Would a number be considered prime to the writer if it conveys a message the writer wants to offer to their recipients. Hence 777.

 

[rstrats]

Luke Wolf,

re: "Because in Revelations, it says the number is....."

Any particular reason for adding an "s" at the end of Revelation?

 

[The Riley Family]

The question is why do people waste more time on a simple typo that doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the point is still obvious? Another question, are the ones that think they are so intelligent for pointing out these kind of things just showing there inability to get a point? That is why the creator gives knowledge to those who are considered unwise by world standards but the ones that consider themselves wise by world standards can't comprehend it. Maybe they are too busy correcting silly typos. God says I want mercy not animal sacrifice, do you think he also wants mercy instead of taking a bath or a shower, eating bread, or getting drunk. Does anyone understand that? I hope someone corrects my typos but not as a point but out of wanting understanding and being supportive about it not trying to prove their lack of undestanding.

666 & 616 which is the mark of the beast has been debated by the scholars for a long time. Whether in Revelation or Revelations it is not the s or lack there of that it talks about. I don't believe the writers were the ones that titled their writings anyway. They as well as I are more interested in the substance. Revelation states 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand. This should not be difficult to understand. How can a person come to the knowledge of God? It is no more difficult than anything else one tries to learn. Example: if you wanted to learn how to play a piano you would start with the basics and work your way up. You start simply and apply what you learn. The more you learn the easier more complicated things become, in fact they don't seem so complicated anymore. They say practice makes perfect so in order then to perfect the skill you would have to practice it. It is no different with the scriptures. In order to understand it you have to start with what you know and apply it. If it says to not steal and you do then stop stealing and so on. If you don't apply what you can understand you will have no chance to truly understand anything else. If you apply what you know and then practice it is called bearing fruit. However if your motives are not good it will be obvious in a continued lack of understanding and proof then of what is really in ones heart.

 

[rstrats]

The Riley Family,
re: "The question is why do people waste more time on a simple typo..."

Ah, a mind reader!