Questions about Advaita Vedanta

[Metempsychosis]

What then is the difference between Kashmir Shaivism and Advaita then? Both state we are Non-Dual from God. I know Kashmir Shavisim states that the world is real, but If the illusion in Advaita is that we are separate then isn't Kashmir Shaivism and Advaita the same thing?

Not much as far as broad philosophy is concerned,except that Advaita uses more Vedantic methods of self exploration and Kashmir Shavisim uses Tantric methods.For an outsider though,Smartism(Advaita) is not much different than polished vedantic shaivism.Again,Buddhist also have similar(but not same) non-dualistic philosophy and perhaps owing to their geographical and culture proximity have similar methods to becoming (no)self-aware.

 

[Maya3]

So basically the illusion is that we are separate from God?

Exactly.

Maya

 

[Maya3]

What then is the difference between Kashmir Shaivism and Advaita then? Both state we are Non-Dual from God. I know Kashmir Shavisim states that the world is real, but If the illusion in Advaita is that we are separate then isn't Kashmir Shaivism and Advaita the same thing?

I don´t know. Are there any Kashmir Shaivists here?

Maya

 

[Philomath]

I don´t know. Are there any Kashmir Shaivists here?

Maya

I'm not sure, Hopefully there are though.

 

[Philomath]

Not much as far as broad philosophy is concerned,except that Advaita uses more Vedantic methods of self exploration and Kashmir Shavisim uses Tantric methods.For an outsider though,Smartism(Advaita) is not much different than polished vedantic shaivism.Again,Buddhist also have similar(but not same) non-dualistic philosophy and perhaps owing to their geographical and culture proximity have similar methods to becoming (no)self-aware.

I thought so too, I don't really see any differences between the two.

 

[Sb1995]

I don´t know. Are there any Kashmir Shaivists here?

Maya

Sb at your service. My father was born and raised in Srinagar (Capital) Kashmir. Althought I don't know much about Kashmiri Shaivism ,I am half kashmiri and I have a Kashmiri last name just like my entire family. I can ask my father if you have any questions I am unable to answer so shoot away.

 

[Philomath]

Sb at your service. My father was born and raised in Srinagar (Capital) Kashmir. Althought I don't know much about Kashmiri Shaivism ,I am half kashmiri and I have a Kashmiri last name just like my entire family. I can ask my father if you have any questions I am unable to answer so shoot away.

Cool!

Could you ask him what the difference between Kashmir Shavisim and Advaita Vedanta are?

 

[Sb1995]

I just did a quick google search and found this (I am not capable of answering such things lol)

Fundamental Aspect of Vedanta and Kashmir Shaivism
http://tribes.tribe.net/saiva/thread/7af92555-1554-4d67-b155-b547480061d3

If your answer is not fulfilled than I shall go ask for you.

 

[Philomath]

I just did a quick google search and found this (I am not capable of answering such things lol)

Fundamental Aspect of Vedanta and Kashmir Shaivism
Question about the difference between... - Kashmir Saivism - tribe.net

If your answer is not fulfilled than I shall go ask for you.

Thanks, I'll read through the links.

 

[Philomath]

Well from my understanding the difference between Kashmir Shaivism and Advaita Vendanta is their understanding of the manifest world. Advaita considers the manifest world unreal. The world is a projection of Shiva in KS so therefore the world is real. Advaita states that only Brahman is real so if the world is created by Brahman how can it not be real? Or maybe I'm not fully understanding something here.

 

[Vinayaka]

Can a mod pleas fix this thread title? I keep reading Vendetta.

 

[4consideration]

Can a mod pleas fix this thread title? I keep reading Vendetta.

Done.

 

[Vinayaka]

Done.

Thank you. Now I don't think all advaitins have a grudge against the rest of us.

 

[Poeticus]

Can a mod pleas fix this thread title? I keep reading Vendetta.

LOL. That was too funny. I can just imagine:

All the Advaitas holding a vendetta.

"Hello, please: I have questions about Advaita vendetta....yeah, um....I have questions about the vendetta of AdvaitaM. Hehehe. "

I think it was an adorable mistake.

 

[Philomath]

Can a mod pleas fix this thread title? I keep reading Vendetta.

I just now noticed that I've been misspelling Vedanta this whole time

 

[Vinayaka]

I just now noticed that I've been misspelling Vedanta this whole time

Spelling mistakes happen, not a problem. But when the avid reader see something else in the sight word and it brings up a weird connotation, it is just funny. I'm sure there are many other examples. Don't sweat it.

 

[Jainarayan]

Sb at your service. My father was born and raised in Srinagar (Capital) Kashmir. Althought I don't know much about Kashmiri Shaivism ,I am half kashmiri and I have a Kashmiri last name just like my entire family. I can ask my father if you have any questions I am unable to answer so shoot away.

I think I read somewhere, and as always happens with things like this, I'll be hanged if I can remember where that in Kashmir Shaivism, the world is the embodiment of God. It is not illusion or forgetfulness. As God we willed it and ourselves into existence. It is just another aspect of God (us)... it is what it is. Do ask your father if that is indeed a tenet of KS. I like that paradigm, because I still can't get my head around the God-playing-hide-and-seek in Advaita. Alan Watts gave an untenable (to me) dumbed-down explanation of Advaita. Blech! :thud:

 

[Jainarayan]

I think I read somewhere, and as always happens with things like this, I'll be hanged if I can remember where that in Kashmir Shaivism, the world is the embodiment of God. It is not illusion or forgetfulness. As God we willed it and ourselves into existence. It is just another aspect of God (us)... it is what it is. Do ask your father if that is indeed a tenet of KS. I like that paradigm, because I still can't get my head around the God-playing-hide-and-seek in Advaita. Alan Watts gave an untenable (to me) dumbed-down explanation of Advaita. Blech! :thud:

I just did a quick google search and found this (I am not capable of answering such things lol)

Fundamental Aspect of Vedanta and Kashmir Shaivism
Question about the difference between... - Kashmir Saivism - tribe.net

If your answer is not fulfilled than I shall go ask for you.

"By His own will the Supreme Lord, the essence of Knowledge (Supreme Consciousness) projects causelessly like the Yogi into this multiformal world." Maybe I was close.

 

[Maya3]

Well from my understanding the difference between Kashmir Shaivism and Advaita Vendanta is their understanding of the manifest world. Advaita considers the manifest world unreal. The world is a projection of Shiva in KS so therefore the world is real. Advaita states that only Brahman is real so if the world is created by Brahman how can it not be real? Or maybe I'm not fully understanding something here.

I'm Advaitin and I don't think the world is unreal.
I think that we only see it as divided instead of whole.

Maya

 

[Vinayaka]

Spelling mistakes happen, not a problem. But when the avid reader see something else in the sight word and it brings up a weird connotation, it is just funny. I'm sure there are many other examples. Don't sweat it.

Another word I misread while scanning is 'Genesis" I see Ganesha. My eyes are that bad, until I focus. I think it has to do with what's in the subconscious.