questions about God

[Mister Emu]

This question only works if spiciness is a determinant of God's ability to eat. I propose that it is not.

 

[matthew.william]

If God is Omnipotent i.e. can do anything, could he make a spice so hot that he himself could not eat it?

Please tell me where omnipotent in the Bible means "can do everything". The greek word used is " pantokrator" which does not translate as "can do everything".

Also, charles, impossible and probability have no relationship to one another. Impossible is when things step out of the realm of probability.

~matthew.william~

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Three Things God Can’t Do
He cannot lie.
He cannot learn.
He cannot force you to love Him.

Four Things God “Doesn’t Know”
He doesn't know a sin He doesn't hate.
He doesn't know a sinner He doesn't love.
He doesn't know an alternate path to His Throne but through His son.
He doesn't know a better time to accept Him than now!

How very helpful and well thought out, thank you so much.

B.

 

[Tiberius]

Anything logically possible. It is logically impossible for something to be bigger than itself, for example. Or, it is logically impossible for a triangle to have four sides. In the same manner, it is logically impossible for something to be possible and impossible, like in your example.

So you're saying that God can do anything - provided that it is logically possible?

However, if we are to accept this, we must accept that God is bound by logic. If he were not bound by logic, then he would be able to perform such feats.

So, is God bound by logic or not? Christians would tell us that God created everything - including logic. This must mean that God existed before logic existed; after all, for something to be created (in the Christian sense of the word), the Creator must exist first. Thus, God must have existed prior to the creation of logic.

If God existed prior to the creation of logic, then it stands to reason that God operates outside of logic. The Almighty is not bound by logic as we are. How could he be bound by logic when he existed and logic didn't?

Yet, seemingly impossible feats such as those mentioned at the head of this article - creating a rock so heavy he can't move it or creation of a square circle - are only impossible for a being bound by logic. God, being separate from logic and not bound by it, could not possibly find such feats impossible. They are only impossible for a being that is forced to follow the rules of logic. God is not required to follow such laws for the reason explained above, and therefore he is able to do the logically impossible, such as making a rock so heavy that he can't lift it, or creating a square circle.

The only possible ways to avoid this are if God did not create logic (in which case he is not the First Cause as he did not cause logic - indeed, if God is bound by logic, logic must have existed prior to God, and if God is a necessary being, then God was caused by logic! - , nor is he the creator of everything; both of which go against Christian doctrine), or if God became bound by logic when he created it (in which case God stopped being God the instant he gave up his power to do anything at all, as this limitation on his power meant he was no longer perfect, which also goes against Christian doctrine), or if God is both bound and unbound by logic (which is itself a logical impossibility and not possible if God is bound by logic, and anyway, why would God be able to do one logically impossible thing while being unable to do other logically impossible things?).

Thus, God can do the logically impossible.

 

[matthew.william]

So you're saying that God can do anything - provided that it is logically possible?

God can make a triangle. God can make a square. God can't make a triangle with four sides because it is no longer defined as a triangle in our sense/definition of things.

However, if we are to accept this, we must accept that God is bound by logic. If he were not bound by logic, then he would be able to perform such feats.

No, because men have such rigid definitions and ideas as to what things are. I don't call dogs "cats" anytime because I have a very rigid idea as to what a dog is, and what a cat is, and how they are as animals. God is only bound by mankind's logic.

So, is God bound by logic or not? Christians would tell us that God created everything - including logic. This must mean that God existed before logic existed; after all, for something to be created (in the Christian sense of the word), the Creator must exist first. Thus, God must have existed prior to the creation of logic.

God did not "create" logic. Logic is the process by which we think. That's like saying God created an idea. How are you defining logic?

If God existed prior to the creation of logic, then it stands to reason that God operates outside of logic. The Almighty is not bound by logic as we are. How could he be bound by logic when he existed and logic didn't?

He operates outside of our logic, yes.

Yet, seemingly impossible feats such as those mentioned at the head of this article - creating a rock so heavy he can't move it or creation of a square circle - are only impossible for a being bound by logic. God, being separate from logic and not bound by it, could not possibly find such feats impossible. They are only impossible for a being that is forced to follow the rules of logic. God is not required to follow such laws for the reason explained above, and therefore he is able to do the logically impossible, such as making a rock so heavy that he can't lift it, or creating a square circle.

If someone came up to you with a square drawn on a piece of paper, and told you it was actually a circle, would you accept that?

if God became bound by logic when he created it (in which case God stopped being God the instant he gave up his power to do anything at all, as this limitation on his power meant he was no longer perfect

Since when is perceived lack of power a sign of imperfection?

Thus, God can do the logically impossible.

I don't see the logic in this argument.


~matthew.william~

 

[logician]

If God is Omnipotent i.e. can do anything, could he make a spice so hot that he himself could not eat it?

Here we go again creating a supposed god in man's image. Since when does a supernatural spirit need to eat?