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Questions about Hinduism! Let's Discuss!

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend dharma seeker,

What do we call that "nothingness" in Hinduism?

Personally have been asking everyone the same question and still to get a firm response but the passage you have quoted states the state of *nothingness8 in many words without the word itself.
However friend anti-religion informs that Siddha Bhoganāthar of the Shaiva Siddhanta tradition in southern part of India changed bodies through yoga techniques to become the famous Lao-Tzu?

So, there we are?

Love & rgds
 

vishu121

New Member
I don't think there are definite answers to these questions, although there are several beliefs. I, personally, don't bother myself with thinking about creation; I don't think any mythology has it literally. The creation myths are not literal history; they're poetry.

What hymn are you talking about? Could you direct us to the book and hymn number?

What u r calling is not mythology(which means fairytale). Only indian literature has the formation of the solar system. In one form lord vishnu does sagar manthan that sagar is none other but the milky way and that mountain used to tie the snake to do that is in the centre of the milky way in the triangular shape surrounded by constellations and these constellations were later drawn on the earth one of them is pyramid of GIZA and other is temple of ankora. Ur history is ur lesson. These poetry/hymns needs decoding to get the whole picture.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
What u r calling is not mythology(which means fairytale).

Not really. Mythology is several steps above fairy tale.

A fairy tale is a fictional story that has a moral to teach at the end. A myth is a story that resonates heavily with an audience, as it has themes which are universal and psychological.

Only indian literature has the formation of the solar system. In one form lord vishnu does sagar manthan that sagar is none other but the milky way and that mountain used to tie the snake to do that is in the centre of the milky way in the triangular shape surrounded by constellations and these constellations were later drawn on the earth one of them is pyramid of GIZA and other is temple of ankora. Ur history is ur lesson. These poetry/hymns needs decoding to get the whole picture.

Constellations were created by the human mind in reaction to certain patterns of stars in the sky. In truth, the stars are often thousands of light-years apart, both side to side, and front to back. Several of the stars found in constellations are also very old, and I know of at least one (Betelgeuse) in Orion that is due for a supernova in the next million years or so.

Now, I'm afraid I don't understand much of what you're trying to say. Could you direct me to the story you're talking about?
 

Andal

resident hypnotist
What u r calling is not mythology(which means fairytale). Only indian literature has the formation of the solar system. In one form lord vishnu does sagar manthan that sagar is none other but the milky way and that mountain used to tie the snake to do that is in the centre of the milky way in the triangular shape surrounded by constellations and these constellations were later drawn on the earth one of them is pyramid of GIZA and other is temple of ankora. Ur history is ur lesson. These poetry/hymns needs decoding to get the whole picture.

Namaskar

Mythology does not mean fairytale. It means a narrative or story. Mythology can be used to describe Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Daoist, and even Hindu literary traditions. It doesn't make the literary tradition any less accurate, it's just a way of describing it.

Also the Pyramid of Giza did not descend to Earth, it was constructed over a 20 year period around 2500 BCE as a burial site for the emperor, Kofu. It is a part of the Egyptian Necropolis.

I do believe that the mountain described in the center of the Milky Way is the giant black whole which is there. The constellations around it are the solar systems that circle its periphery (but that's just my thought on it)

Aum Hari Aum!
 
I will give quotes from advaita scriptures.You can find your answers based on them.



Note: First,now are labels here.

so, it is a dream or illusion around us. There is no duality in real.

Since it is like a dream, Someone must be dreaming. Who is that someone? Brahman itself? If it is a illusion, how do you explain the concept of KArma and rebirth??
 
Friend dharma seeker,

Personally have been asking everyone the same question and still to get a firm response but the passage you have quoted states the state of *nothingness8 in many words without the word itself.
However friend anti-religion informs that Siddha Bhoganāthar of the Shaiva Siddhanta tradition in southern part of India changed bodies through yoga techniques to become the famous Lao-Tzu?

So, there we are?



Love & rgds
Can't we just call it Sat-Chit-Ananda, Brahman (Nirguna), ...?

never heard of Siddha Bhoganathar..
 
What u r calling is not mythology(which means fairytale). Only indian literature has the formation of the solar system. In one form lord vishnu does sagar manthan that sagar is none other but the milky way and that mountain used to tie the snake to do that is in the centre of the milky way in the triangular shape surrounded by constellations and these constellations were later drawn on the earth one of them is pyramid of GIZA and other is temple of ankora. Ur history is ur lesson. These poetry/hymns needs decoding to get the whole picture.

Ksheer SAGAR = Milky way..nice one! It never came to my mind before like this :)
 

Metempsychosis

Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
so, it is a dream or illusion around us. There is no duality in real.

Since it is like a dream, Someone must be dreaming. Who is that someone? Brahman itself? If it is a illusion, how do you explain the concept of KArma and rebirth??

Friend dharma_seeker,

The answers to your questions are beyond my understanding.I am actually agnostic towards creationism.Hence,I cannot give the correct answers.

regards,
 
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zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend dharma_seeker,

Can't we just call it Sat-Chit-Ananda, Brahman (Nirguna), ...?

never heard of Siddha Bhoganathar..

Personally too hear about Bhoganthar for the first time but find it interesting. Similar character in the east is Babaji Maharaj who is supposed to be over few thousand years old and lives in the astral world and seeing only by those whom Babaji wants. His feet never touches the ground and is supposed to have a transparent body and always like invisible.

About *labels* as *sat-chit-ananda*, *brahman* etc. are just labels for an understanding. One should not get attached with the labels. Otherwise its fine.

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend dharma_seeker,

so, it is a dream or illusion around us. There is no duality in real.

Since it is like a dream, Someone must be dreaming. Who is that someone? Brahman itself? If it is a illusion, how do you explain the concept of KArma and rebirth??

You are raising questions instead of *stilling* the questioning mind???
hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
Till all of one's *thoughts8 are over till such times this karma is not over and so is the cycle of births and deaths which again is a part of a big dream [illusion]
[Kindly read the few threads posted in science and religion sections.]

Love & rgds
 
Friend dharma_seeker,

The answers to your questions are beyond my understanding.I am actually agnostic towards creationism.Hence,I cannot give the correct answers.

regards,

Friend Anti-religion,

I can understand that advaitic philosophy can only be experienced. It is hard to understand it due to illusive effects. I understand the concept of creation through advaitic philosophy. Thanks alot.
 
Friend dharma_seeker,

You are raising questions instead of *stilling* the questioning mind???
hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
Till all of one's *thoughts8 are over till such times this karma is not over and so is the cycle of births and deaths which again is a part of a big dream [illusion]
[Kindly read the few threads posted in science and religion sections.]

Love & rgds

Friend zenzero,

Thoughts will remain till there are questions left unanswered LOL.

Since all this is illusion or a dream, then how can Karma has any effects. I mean if i do a bad Karma, which is in a way an illusion, I am not doing it in REALITY, HOW CAN I BE ACCOUNTED FOR IT? I understand the rebirth, that makes sense since it is part of our thoughts agains and contamination from MAYA.

If I do any bad or good Karmas, how can they affect me in my present or next birth (if it is just an illusion)?

I'll look at threads in Science and Religion section as well..

thanks
 
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Metempsychosis

Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
Thoughts will remain till there are questions left unanswered LOL.

Since all this is illusion or a dream, then how can Karma has any effects. I mean if i do a bad Karma, which is in a way an illusion, I am not doing it in REALITY, HOW CAN I BE ACCOUNTED FOR IT? I understand the rebirth, that makes sense since it is part of our thoughts agains and contamination from MAYA.

If I do any bad or good Karmas, how can they affect me in my present or next birth (if it is just an illusion)?

I can explain something from what I understand
What appears in the dream state is an illusion in the waking state.After appears to be true to normal waking state in an illusion from the pointing of view of super conscious(samadhi/satori) state.
Anekāntavāda is one of the three Jain doctrines of relativity used for logic and reasoning. The other two are:
------->syādvāda—the theory of conditioned predication and;
------->nayavāda—the theory of partial standpoints
syād-asti—in some ways, it is,
syād-nāsti—in some ways, it is not,
syād-asti-nāsti—in some ways, it is, and it is not,
Nayavāda is the theory of partial standpoints or viewpoints.As a type of critical philosophy, nayavāda holds that all philosophical disputes arise out of confusion of standpoints, and the standpoints we adopt are, although we may not realize it, "the outcome of purposes that we may pursue".[17] While operating within the limits of language and seeing the complex nature of reality, Māhavīra used the language of nayas. Naya, being a partial expression of truth, enables us to comprehend reality part by part.

More on it here.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/jainism/87815-philosophy-anekantavada.html

IMHO,Buddhism sees the same experience from inside and vedanta from outside.

If there is a pot of water inside a water.The pot breaks to dissolve in to ocean.This is akin loss of ego or sense of I in the samadhi state.

Now ,from the point of view of pot water.There is no self .It is void.This is the Buddhist stance.

"He who experiences the unity of life sees his own Self in all beings, and all beings in his own Self, and looks on everything with an impartial eye"---Buddha

Is that like the Hindu statement: "See the self in all things; and all things in the self is not seperated from me nor am I seperated from Him."--Bhagavat Gita

From the point of point of Ocean,the pot has become everything.This is the advaita stance.It has become Universal Self.

Karma and birth apply only when there in individuality,when there is a thought of 'I' and 'Me".i.e when there is a desire.In the samadhi state however,all these thoughts are transcended and hence karma and rebirth become an illusion.

There is undeniably a serious difference between early Buddhism and Vedanta: the first says there is no self and the other says everything is the self; there is apparently no consciousness in nirvana, but everything is consciousness in moksha.So the debate between Mahayana and Vedanta often resembles a fight where the two boxers are tied together back-to-back.. The fact that these systems are so diametrically opposed here, that one is the mirror image of the other, is suggestive. They are both extreme positions, trying to resolve the relation between the self and the non-self by conflating the one into the other. The not-self of Buddhism swallows the self; the self of Advaita swallows the not-self.Both descriptions amount to the same thing; what is clear in each case is that there is no longer a duality between an object which is observed and a consciousness which observes it; or between the external world and the self which confronts it.

More on it here.
Enlightenment in Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta

What do we call that "nothingness" in Hinduism?
Brahman.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi defines Brahman as follows:

Brahman, which is an all-pervading mass of bliss, does not exhibit any quality of bliss. It may be likened to a mass of energy- matter - which does not exhibit any quality of energy... Brahman is that which cannot be expressed into words, even thought the Upanishads use words to educate about Its nature. In the field of speech, Brahman lies between two contrary statements. It is absolute and relative at the same time. It is the eternal imperishable even while It is ever changing. It is said to be both This and That. It is spoken of as Sat-Chita-Ananda but includes what is not Sat, what is not Chit, and what is not Ananda. It is beyond speech and thought, yet the whole range of thought and speech lies within It.

Love and regards,
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Friend zenzero,

Thoughts will remain till there are questions left unanswered LOL.

Since all this is illusion or a dream, then how can Karma has any effects. I mean if i do a bad Karma, which is in a way an illusion, I am not doing it in REALITY, HOW CAN I BE ACCOUNTED FOR IT? I understand the rebirth, that makes sense since it is part of our thoughts agains and contamination from MAYA.

If I do any bad or good Karmas, how can they affect me in my present or next birth (if it is just an illusion)?

I'll look at threads in Science and Religion section as well..

thanks

If all is illusion...

please go lay in a busy road around 5pm

and come back after 5 cars have run over you
and discuss how what occured was an illusion

thank you
 
If all is illusion...

please go lay in a busy road around 5pm

and come back after 5 cars have run over you
and discuss how what occured was an illusion

thank you

For an advait vedantist, it is all illusion. WE just can't percieve it due to material contamination in our mind. A true advaitantist will not move when he will see the cars coming towards him/her. He/she has realized the truth that it is all illusion and this body is part of that illusion. So he does not even desire that body and death has no meaning to that person. The advaita vedantist that moves away when he sees the car coming towards him/her is not a true advaita vedantist since he is still connected to the mind and this body. I personally know think it is a stage of realization. You cannot just believe in it or understand it.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
For an advait vedantist, it is all illusion. WE just can't percieve it due to material contamination in our mind. A true advaitantist will not move when he will see the cars coming towards him/her. He/she has realized the truth that it is all illusion and this body is part of that illusion. So he does not even desire that body and death has no meaning to that person. The advaita vedantist that moves away when he sees the car coming towards him/her is not a true advaita vedantist since he is still connected to the mind and this body. I personally know think it is a stage of realization. You cannot just believe in it or understand it.

sounds like extremism to me....
to a map, not the territory
 
I can explain something from what I understand
What appears in the dream state is an illusion in the waking state.After appears to be true to normal waking state in an illusion from the pointing of view of super conscious(samadhi/satori) state.
Anekāntavāda is one of the three Jain doctrines of relativity used for logic and reasoning. The other two are:
------->syādvāda—the theory of conditioned predication and;
------->nayavāda—the theory of partial standpoints
syād-asti—in some ways, it is,
syād-nāsti—in some ways, it is not,
syād-asti-nāsti—in some ways, it is, and it is not,
Nayavāda is the theory of partial standpoints or viewpoints.As a type of critical philosophy, nayavāda holds that all philosophical disputes arise out of confusion of standpoints, and the standpoints we adopt are, although we may not realize it, "the outcome of purposes that we may pursue".[17] While operating within the limits of language and seeing the complex nature of reality, Māhavīra used the language of nayas. Naya, being a partial expression of truth, enables us to comprehend reality part by part.

More on it here.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/jainism/87815-philosophy-anekantavada.html

IMHO,Buddhism sees the same experience from inside and vedanta from outside.

If there is a of of water inside a water.The pot breaks to dissolve in to ocean.This is akin loss of ego or sense of I in the samadhi state.

Now ,from the point of view of pot water.There is no self .It is void.This is the Buddhist stance.

"He who experiences the unity of life sees his own Self in all beings, and all beings in his own Self, and looks on everything with an impartial eye"---Buddha

Is that like the Hindu statement: "See the self in all things; and all things in the self is not seperated from me nor am I seperated from Him."--Bhagavat Gita

From the point of point of Ocean,the pot has become everything.This is the advaita stance.It has become Universal Self.

Karma and birth apply only when there in individuality,when there is a thought of 'I' and 'Me".i.e when there is a desire.In the samadhi state however,all these thoughts are transcended and hence karma and rebirth become an illusion.

There is undeniably a serious difference between early Buddhism and Vedanta: the first says there is no self and the other says everything is the self; there is apparently no consciousness in nirvana, but everything is consciousness in moksha.So the debate between Mahayana and Vedanta often resembles a fight where the two boxers are tied together back-to-back.. The fact that these systems are so diametrically opposed here, that one is the mirror image of the other, is suggestive. They are both extreme positions, trying to resolve the relation between the self and the non-self by conflating the one into the other. The not-self of Buddhism swallows the self; the self of Advaita swallows the not-self.Both descriptions amount to the same thing; what is clear in each case is that there is no longer a duality between an object which is observed and a consciousness which observes it; or between the external world and the self which confronts it.

More on it here.
Enlightenment in Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta


Brahman.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi defines Brahman as follows:

Brahman, which is an all-pervading mass of bliss, does not exhibit any quality of bliss. It may be likened to a mass of energy- matter - which does not exhibit any quality of energy... Brahman is that which cannot be expressed into words, even thought the Upanishads use words to educate about Its nature. In the field of speech, Brahman lies between two contrary statements. It is absolute and relative at the same time. It is the eternal imperishable even while It is ever changing. It is said to be both This and That. It is spoken of as Sat-Chita-Ananda but includes what is not Sat, what is not Chit, and what is not Ananda. It is beyond speech and thought, yet the whole range of thought and speech lies within It.

Love and regards,

THANKS A Lot!! Really enlightening!
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Hey Dharma, I realise that I have yet to reply to your post. I want to let you know that I am currently occupied and will not have access to internet for a week or so. When I get back from my trip I will write straight away. Until then!
 
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