Questions for Christians

[savethedreams]

I am really only asking to understand. I dislike something being told to me as "real" and it not making sense. I dont' give up.

why did god chose the nation of Israel and it so happen all the writers were from there?

How could some of the 40 authors of the bible, not know they were writing Gods word but inspired?


why Christians believe that some scriptures are literal and some are symbolical, when it doesn't say it?

what does "inspired of god" and "god breathed" specifically mean?


How do we know that the Christian god wasn't created by men?

 

[bobhikes]

I am really only asking to understand. I dislike something being told to me as "real" and it not making sense. I dont' give up.

why did god chose the nation of Israel and it so happen all the writers were from there?

How could some of the 40 authors of the bible, not know they were writing Gods word but inspired?


why Christians believe that some scriptures are literal and some are symbolical, when it doesn't say it?

what does "inspired of god" and "god breathed" specifically mean?


How do we know that the Christian god wasn't created by men?

Faith.

 

[Man of Faith]

God chose the nation of Israel because they were a lowly people and he felt compassion on them. They were few in numbers and strength and wanted to show his own strength by making them a powerful nation with a powerful God. He wanted to show the world who the one true God was. Israel was able, and still is, through God’s strength as a lowly people beat all the bigger nations with their false gods. Of course God warned them that if they turned away from him they would go into captivity and they did for 400 years.

I don’t know that all the authors of the Bible didn’t know they were writing Gods words. Isaiah 1:10 “Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.” Some prophets new very well that they were speaking God’s words or speaking for God. However if they didn’t know they were being inspired by God, I don’t have a problem with that.

We can take the manner of writing in order to tell if something is literal or symbolic, just like we do today. We can look at other parts of the Bible to see if something else confirms that it is to be taken literal or symbolic. People today use the term “four corners of the earth” and don’t mean that it literally means that the earth is a square. It’s really not that hard. When anyone reads a book and says “that part just kills me”, it doesn’t mean they are literally killed. We use the rest of the Bible to understand the Bible verses.

When we say God breathed, we mean God influenced. How could someone write about the creation of the world if they weren’t there and aren’t a scientist? God had to tell them through their soul and conscious that the universe had a beginning and that God created….

I know the Christian God is real because I have experienced him. However I first had faith that he was real. I can’t prove to anyone that he is real, however we can look at creation and know there must be a creator, just like we can look at a painting and know there must be a painter.

 

[Mohamed]

if u don't mind i want to add questions

1-when had th bible written (or recieved from god)?
2-who recieved (and who wrote) it?
3-why there are many bibles (beside translation)?

i have more questions but i want to know those first

 

[paratrooper1993]

well me and my friends considered why israel was chosen as was our brothers in arab with the prophet mohammed. at that time, the middle east was at a crisis and the only way to fix it is to send Jesus for the christians and prophet mohammed for the moslems.

to make it clearer, why send superman to somewhere peaceful when he should be saving metropolis?

 

[Quiddity]

Those are some heavy-duty questions that no post can fulfill. You really have to take a step at a time from people experts in those fields. Anyone telling you it's really easy, is lying to you.

 

[Pegg]

if u don't mind i want to add questions

1-when had th bible written (or recieved from god)?

the bible is actually a collection of the writings of 40 different individual men.
The writers are Moses - his writings are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, book of Job. He wrote these things scrolls in 1513 B.C.E.

Joshua became the next leader of Isreal as they entered the promised land and he wrote the book of 'Joshua' around 1450 B.C.E.

1100-1040 BCE - The prophet Samuel who was the prophet after Joshua's leadership wrote the books of Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel

1000 - 1020 B.C.E. King Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon.

717 B.C.E Agur & Lemuel wrote parts of the book of Proverbs to make a record of the King Solomons words of wisdom from God.

732 B.C.E.c Isaiah the prophet wrote the book of 'Isaiah'

607 B.C.E. Jeremiah the prophet wrote the book of 'Lamentations'

591 B.C.E. Ezekiel the prophet wrote the book of 'Ezekiel'

580bce the Prophet Jeremiah wrote: 1 Kings, 2 Kings & Jeremiah.
536 B.C.E Daniel the prophet wrote the book of 'Daniel'
460 B.C.E. (approx) Ezra wrote 1&2 Chronicals and the book of Ezra.
475 B.C.E. Mordechi wrote the book of Ezra.
443 B.C.E. Nehemiah wrote the book bearing his name.

the pslams were written by numerous people such as King David, Moses and the singers of the temple, the levites etc over many hundreds of years.

The 'minor' prophets wrote the books bearing their names between the 8th and 5th centuries BCE.
745 B.C.E. Hosea
820 B.C.E Joel
804 B.C.E. Amos
607 B.C.E. approx, Obadiah
844 B.C.E. Jonah
717 B.C.E. Micah
632 B.C.E. Nahum
628 B.C.E.(?) Habakuk
Before 648 B.C.E. Zephaniah
520 B.C.E. Haggai
518 B.C.E. Zechariah

And the NT writers were the followers of Christ. 4 wrote a testimony to Jesus life called 'the gospels'. The rest are letters written for various congregations. Paul was the main letter writer as he was the one who was the foremost missionary who went travelliing to all the congregations. he often carried letters from the apostles in Jerusalem to the congregations and he mentions some of these letters in his writings.

2-who recieved (and who wrote) it?
3-why there are many bibles (beside translation)?

There is actually only one group of writings that classify as 'the bible'. They have been that way since the 2nd century and are still exactly the same.

The only way to make the word of God available was to make copies of the scrolls. Thousands upon thousands of copies of the original documents of both the hebrew and greek scriptures were made in order to spread the message of the bible to people everywhere. They were copied by hand and distributed by the christians. And as people of different languages began to embrace christianity, it was necessary to begin translating the bible into those languages...translations are made in order for all nations to hear the message. A translation doesnt change the meaning of the original message...it merely translates it into that language.

 

[Mohamed]

the bible is actually a collection of the writings of 40 different individual men.
The writers are Moses - his writings are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, book of Job. He wrote these things scrolls in 1513 B.C.E.

Joshua became the next leader of Isreal as they entered the promised land and he wrote the book of 'Joshua' around 1450 B.C.E.

1100-1040 BCE - The prophet Samuel who was the prophet after Joshua's leadership wrote the books of Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel

1000 - 1020 B.C.E. King Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon.

717 B.C.E Agur & Lemuel wrote parts of the book of Proverbs to make a record of the King Solomons words of wisdom from God.

732 B.C.E.c Isaiah the prophet wrote the book of 'Isaiah'

607 B.C.E. Jeremiah the prophet wrote the book of 'Lamentations'

591 B.C.E. Ezekiel the prophet wrote the book of 'Ezekiel'

580bce the Prophet Jeremiah wrote: 1 Kings, 2 Kings & Jeremiah.
536 B.C.E Daniel the prophet wrote the book of 'Daniel'
460 B.C.E. (approx) Ezra wrote 1&2 Chronicals and the book of Ezra.
475 B.C.E. Mordechi wrote the book of Ezra.
443 B.C.E. Nehemiah wrote the book bearing his name.

the pslams were written by numerous people such as King David, Moses and the singers of the temple, the levites etc over many hundreds of years.

The 'minor' prophets wrote the books bearing their names between the 8th and 5th centuries BCE.
745 B.C.E. Hosea
820 B.C.E Joel
804 B.C.E. Amos
607 B.C.E. approx, Obadiah
844 B.C.E. Jonah
717 B.C.E. Micah
632 B.C.E. Nahum
628 B.C.E.(?) Habakuk
Before 648 B.C.E. Zephaniah
520 B.C.E. Haggai
518 B.C.E. Zechariah

And the NT writers were the followers of Christ. 4 wrote a testimony to Jesus life called 'the gospels'. The rest are letters written for various congregations. Paul was the main letter writer as he was the one who was the foremost missionary who went travelliing to all the congregations. he often carried letters from the apostles in Jerusalem to the congregations and he mentions some of these letters in his writings.



There is actually only one group of writings that classify as 'the bible'. They have been that way since the 2nd century and are still exactly the same.

The only way to make the word of God available was to make copies of the scrolls. Thousands upon thousands of copies of the original documents of both the hebrew and greek scriptures were made in order to spread the message of the bible to people everywhere. They were copied by hand and distributed by the christians. And as people of different languages began to embrace christianity, it was necessary to begin translating the bible into those languages...translations are made in order for all nations to hear the message. A translation doesnt change the meaning of the original message...it merely translates it into that language.

thanks for explaining,but clearly there are different bibles,aren't there even more than beleif about jesus?!,and more than one doctrine
another thing,u mean that the bible was recieved by different prophets,and was wrote by 4 men in 2nd century,right?

and that god didn't send the bible as it is,but those 4 men gathered different books from prophets and put it in a book and called it (the bible)??

 

[Pegg]

thanks for explaining,but clearly there are different bibles,aren't there even more than beleif about jesus?!,

and that god didn't send the bible as it is,but those 4 men gathered different books from prophets and put it in a book and called it (the bible)??

the word 'bible' means 'little books'

We use the word bible to describe the collection of writings of the prophets and moses and Jesus apostles.

When we are talking about the "holy bible' we are referring only to the 66 books of the hebrew and greek scriptures.

People have different interpretations of the holy bible....but there is only one 'holy bible of the hebrew and greek scriptures' and it is the same for everyone ...the different versions are made in order to keep up with changes in language. So after 50 years, a new 'version' might become a available which is in the modern day language.

and more than one doctrine
another thing,u mean that the bible was recieved by different prophets,and was wrote by 4 men in 2nd century,right?

no not at all. Doctrine is created by men. When they put a certain interpretation on a passage of scripture or when they create an idea, that is a doctrine. Like the trinity, it is a 'doctrine' created by men, but the idea is NOT found in the scriptures. But these people have used some scriptures and applied an interpretation to fit their doctrine.

The bible was not handed to men by angels or by God. It was WRITTEN by the men themselves. God came and spoke with prophets and revealed information and told them to write it down and tell the people his message. That is why we say the bible is 'inspired' by God....never do we say God 'wrote the bible'.

It was to 40 different men that God gave his message over a 1600 year period. And they wrote what they saw, heard and experienced. Their writings were then copied by skilled copiests and copies were kept safe in the synagogues of the jews and in the temples. When the christians wrote letters to the congregations, some became part of the cannon because they contained teaching, prophecy and instruction from God. Copies of their writings were made by christians and kept in libraries and protected in monastries and churches.

 

[pwfaith]

Those are some heavy-duty questions that no post can fulfill. You really have to take a step at a time from people experts in those fields. Anyone telling you it's really easy, is lying to you.

This was my initial thought too - "those are some loaded questions" and hardly an 'easy' answer to any of them. More than just a few paragraphs here and there could really do justice.

 

[Mohamed]

the word 'bible' means 'little books'

We use the word bible to describe the collection of writings of the prophets and moses and Jesus apostles.

When we are talking about the "holy bible' we are referring only to the 66 books of the hebrew and greek scriptures.

People have different interpretations of the holy bible....but there is only one 'holy bible of the hebrew and greek scriptures' and it is the same for everyone ...the different versions are made in order to keep up with changes in language. So after 50 years, a new 'version' might become a available which is in the modern day language.



no not at all. Doctrine is created by men. When they put a certain interpretation on a passage of scripture or when they create an idea, that is a doctrine. Like the trinity, it is a 'doctrine' created by men, but the idea is NOT found in the scriptures. But these people have used some scriptures and applied an interpretation to fit their doctrine.

The bible was not handed to men by angels or by God. It was WRITTEN by the men themselves. God came and spoke with prophets and revealed information and told them to write it down and tell the people his message. That is why we say the bible is 'inspired' by God....never do we say God 'wrote the bible'.

It was to 40 different men that God gave his message over a 1600 year period. And they wrote what they saw, heard and experienced. Their writings were then copied by skilled copiests and copies were kept safe in the synagogues of the jews and in the temples. When the christians wrote letters to the congregations, some became part of the cannon because they contained teaching, prophecy and instruction from God. Copies of their writings were made by christians and kept in libraries and protected in monastries and churches.

1-then you admit that alot of christians rightnow are not christians at all?

2-i didn't say that god wrote the bible,i'm asking (god sent to prophets over a 1600 year,but he didn't mention them to collect that in one book??,they even didn't write what they were inspired only,but what they saw,heard,and experienced,then why it's a holybook?)


3-i'm muslim,i believe (the same like you) that thier is a holy bible somewhere,but i'm not sure where it is,but we believe it's a holybook like quran,not that men collected what 40 prophet wrote.
you know,muslims claim that Muhamed was mentioned in bible and Torah,i can show you that,but first,i'm asking,is thier anything about (jesus) as the god,or the son of god,on the real bible?!

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

why did god chose the nation of Israel and it so happen all the writers were from there?

God chose the nation of Israel for the Torah only, and other nations received other scriptures and guidance

How could some of the 40 authors of the bible, not know they were writing Gods word but inspired?

Because inspired doesn't always mean in the divine context. Half the Bible is poetry, and inspired in the poetic context is a far cry from some kind of possession of the author by God

why Christians believe that some scriptures are literal and some are symbolical, when it doesn't say it?

Doesn't say they are literal either. The point is the Bible is a religious book, not a science book.

what does "inspired of god" and "god breathed" specifically mean?

Inspired and "God breathed" are not necessarily synonamous

How do we know that the Christian god wasn't created by men?

You had to slip that in, didn't you?

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

1-when had th bible written (or recieved from god)?

There is a difference between inspired and written by God. Was the Qur'an written by God, as in, did it fall from the sky and hit the desert sand in front of Muhammad?

who recieved (and who wrote) it?

Various authors at various times, as religion is and always was- progressive.

3-why there are many bibles (beside translation)?

You need to be more specific

 

[Pegg]

1-then you admit that alot of christians rightnow are not christians at all?

Sure, i can admit that. But what has that got to do with the writing of the bible?

2-i didn't say that god wrote the bible,i'm asking (god sent to prophets over a 1600 year,but he didn't mention them to collect that in one book??,they even didn't write what they were inspired only,but what they saw,heard,and experienced,then why it's a holybook?)

the priests of the temple collected the writings together. They were the ones assigned the role of imparting the knowledge of the writings to the people. So, Yes. God did instruct for the writings of Moses and the prophets to be administered which would require they be copied, translated and distributed.

Jeremiah 36:1 Now it came about in the fourth year of Je‧hoi′a‧kim the son of Jo‧si′ah, the king of Judah, that this word occurred to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 2 “Take for yourself a roll of a book, and you must write in it all the words that I have spoken ...4 And Jeremiah proceeded to call Bar′uch the son of Ne‧ri′ah that Bar′uch might write at the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of Jehovah that He had spoken to him, on the roll of the book

Exodus 17:14 Jehovah now said to Moses: “Write this as a memorial in the book and propound it in Joshua’s ears,

Exodus 34:27 And Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “Write down for yourself these words, because it is in accordance with these words that I do conclude a covenant with you and Israel

Exodus 31:9 Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests the sons of Le′vi, the carriers of the ark of Jehovah’s covenant, and to all the older men of Israel.

Deuteronomy 31:24 And it came about that as soon as Moses had finished writing the words of this law in a book until their completion, 25 Moses began to command the Levites, the carriers of the ark of Jehovah’s covenant, saying: 26 “Taking this book of the law, YOU must place it at the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah YOUR God, and it must serve as a witness there against you

Jeremiah 30:1 The word that occurred to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 2 “This is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said, ‘Write for yourself in a book all the words that I will speak to you

Habakuk 2:2 And Jehovah proceeded to answer me and to say: “Write down [the] vision, and set [it] out plainly upon tablets, in order that the one reading aloud from it may do so fluently

but first,i'm asking,is thier anything about (jesus) as the god,or the son of god,on the real bible?!

Yes there is.
The holy bible confirms that God will send a Messiah from the 'seed of Abraham'... so the messiah had to be a decscendent of Abraham. And further God said that the descendent would come through Isaac.
Isaacs son Jacob was the one to whom the blessing was giving, and his 12 sons are each the family heads of the 12 tribes of Isreal. So the Messiah had to be a Jew. Jesus was the Messiah as is evident from the signs he gave and the prophecies fulfilled by him.
This is what the scriptures say about what the Messiah would be:
Luke 1:26 In her sixth month the angel Ga′bri‧el was sent forth from God to a city of Gal′i‧lee named Naz′a‧reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.

Jesus was called 'the son of God' over and over again. And Jesus himself refered to God as 'my father' and 'your father'

So Jesus was under no illusion, nor did he give any indication, that he believed he was God. And his apostles said that he is Gods 'only begotten son'... in other words, Jesus was a created being according to them....so they did not teach that Jesus was God.

that idea was introduced sometime after the 3rd/4th centuries....long after the NT writings were completed.

 

[Mohamed]

There is a difference between inspired and written by God. Was the Qur'an written by God, as in, did it fall from the sky and hit the desert sand in front of Muhammad?

no i mean,quran was inspired to Muhamed as a holybook
who was inspired by bible?
he told me that 40 prophet
ok,was them mentioned that this is the bible?!!
or the men after them just wrote down what prophets had said and written like teachings and what they had seen,lesitned,and experienced (pegg told me that)

You need to be more specific

i mean many bibles with different beliefs exist
how that happened?

 

[Mohamed]

Sure, i can admit that. But what has that got to do with the writing of the bible?



the priests of the temple collected the writings together. They were the ones assigned the role of imparting the knowledge of the writings to the people. So, Yes. God did instruct for the writings of Moses and the prophets to be administered which would require they be copied, translated and distributed.

Jeremiah 36:1 Now it came about in the fourth year of Je‧hoi′a‧kim the son of Jo‧si′ah, the king of Judah, that this word occurred to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 2 “Take for yourself a roll of a book, and you must write in it all the words that I have spoken ...4 And Jeremiah proceeded to call Bar′uch the son of Ne‧ri′ah that Bar′uch might write at the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of Jehovah that He had spoken to him, on the roll of the book

Exodus 17:14 Jehovah now said to Moses: “Write this as a memorial in the book and propound it in Joshua’s ears,

Exodus 34:27 And Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “Write down for yourself these words, because it is in accordance with these words that I do conclude a covenant with you and Israel

Exodus 31:9 Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests the sons of Le′vi, the carriers of the ark of Jehovah’s covenant, and to all the older men of Israel.

Deuteronomy 31:24 And it came about that as soon as Moses had finished writing the words of this law in a book until their completion, 25 Moses began to command the Levites, the carriers of the ark of Jehovah’s covenant, saying: 26 “Taking this book of the law, YOU must place it at the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah YOUR God, and it must serve as a witness there against you

Jeremiah 30:1 The word that occurred to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 2 “This is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said, ‘Write for yourself in a book all the words that I will speak to you

Habakuk 2:2 And Jehovah proceeded to answer me and to say: “Write down [the] vision, and set [it] out plainly upon tablets, in order that the one reading aloud from it may do so fluently





Yes there is.
The holy bible confirms that God will send a Messiah from the 'seed of Abraham'... so the messiah had to be a decscendent of Abraham. And further God said that the descendent would come through Isaac.
Isaacs son Jacob was the one to whom the blessing was giving, and his 12 sons are each the family heads of the 12 tribes of Isreal. So the Messiah had to be a Jew. Jesus was the Messiah as is evident from the signs he gave and the prophecies fulfilled by him.
This is what the scriptures say about what the Messiah would be:
Luke 1:26 In her sixth month the angel Ga′bri‧el was sent forth from God to a city of Gal′i‧lee named Naz′a‧reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.

Jesus was called 'the son of God' over and over again. And Jesus himself refered to God as 'my father' and 'your father'

So Jesus was under no illusion, nor did he give any indication, that he believed he was God. And his apostles said that he is Gods 'only begotten son'... in other words, Jesus was a created being according to them....so they did not teach that Jesus was God.

that idea was introduced sometime after the 3rd/4th centuries....long after the NT writings were completed.

first,i think what was inspired to Moses is the Torah or (the old testment),yes for sure it was a holybook itself,but what about the rest of the bible,it wasn't supposed to be as god's word??,i mean it maybe teachings from prophets,(like Hadeeth in Islam) but what made it (words of god)??



i know that god had said that he would send the Messieh,but why not as a prophet?!!
even when you say he mentioned god as (my father) and (your father),that makes jesus a normal man like us,a prophet maybe,even maybe the word (father) was because of translation...

again i mean,what proves that jesus is not a prophet like the the rest of prophets??

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

no i mean,quran was inspired to Muhamed as a holybook
who was inspired by bible?

Define "inspired" as you see it

he told me that 40 prophet
ok,was them mentioned that this is the bible?!!
or the men after them just wrote down what prophets had said and written like teachings and what they had seen,lesitned,and experienced (pegg told me that)

Some of the Bible was written after the fact, but that doesn't take away from it's importance anymore then the fact that Caliph Uthman had Qur'ans burned takes away from the Qur'ans importance.

i mean many bibles with different beliefs exist

Translations don't really put forth different beliefs, they all pretty much say the same thing, it's all about rendering.
how that happened?[/quote]

 

[Mohamed]

Define "inspired" as you see it



Some of the Bible was written after the fact, but that doesn't take away from it's importance anymore then the fact that Caliph Uthman had Qur'ans burned takes away from the Qur'ans importance.



Translations don't really put forth different beliefs, they all pretty much say the same thing, it's all about rendering.
how that happened?

[/quote]


inspired by holybook means that god sent his word to be his word for everybody
forexample,god talked to Moses many times,can we take this talk and write it down as a holybook??!
but when god wanted to send his word,he sent Torah

Some of the Bible was written after the fact, but that doesn't take away from it's importance anymore then the fact that Caliph Uthman had Qur'ans burned takes away from the Qur'ans importance.


quote]

what do you mean that quran burned by caliph uthman??

Translations don't really put forth different beliefs, they all pretty much say the same thing, it's all about rendering.
how that happened?

[/quote]

so how come that some consider jesus the god,and some consider him son of god,and some believes in the trinity,even i think that some believes jesus was prophet

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

inspired by holybook means that god sent his word to be his word for everybody
forexample,god talked to Moses many times,can we take this talk and write it down as a holybook??!
but when god wanted to send his word,he sent Torah

I see, so you're placing a higher requirement for inspiration on the Bible then you do the Qur'an? You claim the Torah is inspired only because Moses talked to God, but the rest is not, yet Muhammad only saw the angel Gabriel, he didn't talk to God directly.

As for Moses writing the Torah, it's well acknowledged he did not, again, prove that direct inspiration is what's required for a book to be a "word of God".

what do you mean that quran burned by caliph uthman??

You mean you didn't know? Uthman ordered all the differing collected manuscripts of the Qur'an collected together, and he burned them all except the one he approved.

so how come that some consider jesus the god,and some consider him son of god,and some believes in the trinity,even i think that some believes jesus was prophet

Because the Bible is viewed and interpreted different ways by different people. I am sure we wouldn't agree on my interpretation of the Qur'an. Care to discuss that?

 

[ThezFad]

May I ask to all Christians - since you do not believe in Muhammad, what does Matthew 21:42-43 refer to? "Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures:

"'The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;[
this was the Lord’s doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes'?

Therefore I tell you, THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU AND GIVEN TO A PEOPLE producing its fruits."

We know that the stone the builders rejected is a direct reference to Ishmael who was rejected completely by the Jews.

Jesus then goes onto say that the Kingdom of God will be taken from the Jews and given to another nation.. now because Jesus previously said that Ishmael has become the cornerstone, one would assume that the "people producing its fruits" has some relation to Ishmael.

Now may I ask - who apart from Muhammad PBUH (Who is DIRECTLY related to Ishmael through Kedar) came after Jesus, from a nation other than the Jews and brought the Kingdom of God producing it's fruits?